Comments on: The Rules of Islamic Wife Beating http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/15/the-rules-of-islamic-wife-beating/ Specialization is for Insects. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:09:32 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Joe http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/15/the-rules-of-islamic-wife-beating/#comment-44138 Joe Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:29:41 +0000 http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/15/the-rules-of-islamic-wife-beating/#comment-44138 ...anyone relying on google search results and internet to hold his own in an argument is pathetic. oh please Asfand Yar Qazi, wontcha look up on wikipedia more information about the big bang? you just sound so allah damn intelligent when you talk about your internet search results! it's funny to see how religion is interpreted one way, and as soon as people see such interpretation as bad, it is reinterpreted. you think women and men act differently? that is only true to a certain extent and there are many other factors other than genetics. i suggest you try and look up your information from some place other than the internet. …anyone relying on google search results and internet to hold his own in an argument is pathetic. oh please Asfand Yar Qazi, wontcha look up on wikipedia more information about the big bang? you just sound so allah damn intelligent when you talk about your internet search results!

it’s funny to see how religion is interpreted one way, and as soon as people see such interpretation as bad, it is reinterpreted. you think women and men act differently? that is only true to a certain extent and there are many other factors other than genetics. i suggest you try and look up your information from some place other than the internet.

]]> By: John P. http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/15/the-rules-of-islamic-wife-beating/#comment-43775 John P. Tue, 28 Oct 2008 04:37:18 +0000 http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/15/the-rules-of-islamic-wife-beating/#comment-43775 I have no idea where you think I was educated, but you must think I'm an idiot. That's OK because the feeling is mutual. I cannot believe you actually said: <blockquote>Islam gives women the upper hand above men in plenty of matters, like expecting financial support from their father, brother or husband.</blockquote> The fact that you think that a religion which <em>makes</em> women wholly dependent on men is OK merely because it is gracious enough to <em>allow</em> them to be dependent tells me that you and I are never going to agree. The women I know would be highly insulted by your comments, and indeed I know several women whom I guarantee earn more money than you ever will in your lifetime. So you would be doing them a disservice if all they got was a measly little allowance from you. John I have no idea where you think I was educated, but you must think I’m an idiot. That’s OK because the feeling is mutual. I cannot believe you actually said:

Islam gives women the upper hand above men in plenty of matters, like expecting financial support from their father, brother or husband.

The fact that you think that a religion which makes women wholly dependent on men is OK merely because it is gracious enough to allow them to be dependent tells me that you and I are never going to agree.

The women I know would be highly insulted by your comments, and indeed I know several women whom I guarantee earn more money than you ever will in your lifetime. So you would be doing them a disservice if all they got was a measly little allowance from you.

John

]]> By: Asfand Yar Qazi http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/15/the-rules-of-islamic-wife-beating/#comment-43732 Asfand Yar Qazi Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:23:37 +0000 http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/15/the-rules-of-islamic-wife-beating/#comment-43732 <blockquote>I am of the personal belief that women are, in every way that matters, equal to men.</blockquote> Interesting. Do a search on Google for 'make female genetic differences', and read some of the links. The very foundation of our behaviour - our genes - are so radically different. The way the two behave, what they go through in life, the way they experience life. Any attempt to show equality between genders is rendered totally irrelevant in the light of science. Oh, but you said, "in every way that matters". I suppose science doesn't matter. I'm not saying women should be treated as second class, I'm saying that men and women should be considered totally differently and different rules and judgements drawn up about them. Islam gives women the upper hand above men in plenty of matters, like expecting financial support from their father, brother or husband. <blockquote>I would not follow any religious system that sets man above woman and frankly I am surprised that women are willing to subject themselves to second class status because of any ancient text written by someone who literally didn’t even know the Earth was round or what oxygen is.</blockquote> The Big Bang was an event where all the energy and matter in this Universe was compressed into a single point in the form of energy. A huge explosion occured, causing the energy to be flung outward, some of it being converted into matter. This is how our universe was formed. The Quran says, "Do not those who not believe not see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?" (21:30, Translation by A. Y. Ali) Due to the Big Bang, the Universe is therefore expanding. "And it is We Who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We Who are steadily expanding it." (Quran, 51:47, Translation by A. Y. Ali) There are many many verses that allude to scientific facts not discovered by humans until hundreds of years after the Quran's revelation. Your theory that it was the work of a human being is therefore shattered. It is the only holy book that can prove itself scientifically to be from God, or Allah.

I am of the personal belief that women are, in every way that matters, equal to men.

Interesting. Do a search on Google for ‘make female genetic differences’, and read some of the links. The very foundation of our behaviour – our genes – are so radically different. The way the two behave, what they go through in life, the way they experience life. Any attempt to show equality between genders is rendered totally irrelevant in the light of science. Oh, but you said, “in every way that matters”. I suppose science doesn’t matter.

I’m not saying women should be treated as second class, I’m saying that men and women should be considered totally differently and different rules and judgements drawn up about them. Islam gives women the upper hand above men in plenty of matters, like expecting financial support from their father, brother or husband.

I would not follow any religious system that sets man above woman and frankly I am surprised that women are willing to subject themselves to second class status because of any ancient text written by someone who literally didn’t even know the Earth was round or what oxygen is.

The Big Bang was an event where all the energy and matter in this Universe was compressed into a single point in the form of energy. A huge explosion occured, causing the energy to be flung outward, some of it being converted into matter. This is how our universe was formed.

The Quran says, “Do not those who not believe not see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?” (21:30, Translation by A. Y. Ali)

Due to the Big Bang, the Universe is therefore expanding.

“And it is We Who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We Who are steadily expanding it.” (Quran, 51:47, Translation by A. Y. Ali)

There are many many verses that allude to scientific facts not discovered by humans until hundreds of years after the Quran’s revelation. Your theory that it was the work of a human being is therefore shattered. It is the only holy book that can prove itself scientifically to be from God, or Allah.

]]> By: Sara http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/15/the-rules-of-islamic-wife-beating/#comment-42080 Sara Sun, 07 Sep 2008 02:41:51 +0000 http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/15/the-rules-of-islamic-wife-beating/#comment-42080 i hate when ppl use ploral ! i mean u ant say all musilms are monster, nor all christians are.. in each religion, race, nationalty we have good ppl and bad ! and "ruby on rails guy" i gather u live in saudi arabia, they are strict about gettin islam right that they get soo wrong ! like there is a verse in quran that says something like "u cant force anyone to a religion" and they are doing the exact opposite anyway, i find women in islam are really cherished, and the way we dress is what make me belive that, cuz the woman body is very tempting to men, so protecting the women, islam ordered us to cover our body.. im not very religious my self, i dont wear all black and stuff, but i cant see u talkin about islam like this when u dont kno what are u talkin about i hate when ppl use ploral ! i mean u ant say all musilms are monster, nor all christians are..
in each religion, race, nationalty we have good ppl and bad !
and “ruby on rails guy” i gather u live in saudi arabia, they are strict about gettin islam right that they get soo wrong !
like there is a verse in quran that says something like “u cant force anyone to a religion” and they are doing the exact opposite

anyway, i find women in islam are really cherished, and the way we dress is what make me belive that, cuz the woman body is very tempting to men, so protecting the women, islam ordered us to cover our body..
im not very religious my self, i dont wear all black and stuff, but i cant see u talkin about islam like this when u dont kno what are u talkin about

]]> By: mary http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/15/the-rules-of-islamic-wife-beating/#comment-40089 mary Sun, 06 Jul 2008 17:06:14 +0000 http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/15/the-rules-of-islamic-wife-beating/#comment-40089 Dear Nassrine: where on earth do these Christian women (you speak of live?) Not in America, lady. Any man who beats a woman for not bringing him a cup of water would find himself on the street. Maybe you watch too much television. One course in the worlds religious studies does not make you a religion-know-it-all. Sure we have women abuse in America. But that doesn't mean it is acceptable practice. I don't know any woman who would allow her husband to beat her with a stick and think that would be okay. Think!! Dear Nassrine: where on earth do these Christian women (you speak of live?) Not in America, lady. Any man who beats a woman for not bringing him a cup of water would find himself on the street. Maybe you watch too much television. One course in the worlds religious studies does not make you a religion-know-it-all. Sure we have women abuse in America. But that doesn’t mean it is acceptable practice. I don’t know any woman who would allow her husband to beat her with a stick and think that would be okay. Think!!

]]> By: AMEER http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/15/the-rules-of-islamic-wife-beating/#comment-40077 AMEER Sun, 06 Jul 2008 07:15:25 +0000 http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/15/the-rules-of-islamic-wife-beating/#comment-40077 <strong>Beating of Womens are Illegal in Islam...The right which are given by Islam to Women nothing given by any body. </strong>Beating of women is an individual act in any society , it is not specifically to muslims . If you go around the world you will you will see it .In AMERICA and WEST below are some fact which is shame full behaviour against women.could you have any justification for the below acts: 1- It is common in Europe to live without marriage with Women and having children....Is it fair with women??? Once Men's lust is full then they choose another women ....Niether Society and Govt have any help for them. 2-In west & America , Rape of women is very common . According to statistics in every one second one women rapped in USA....Is it fair with womens?? It is all done by Mens !! open minded men!!! 3-In every Night ,Millions of Womens provide sexual entertainment in Bars and Night clubs ...It is just for Men"s Lust and entertainment......Just for the sake to earn some dollars to live your life.....Is it humanity??? YOU MISINTERPRETING ISLAMIC VALUES AND TEACHING ...if anybody want to see real pict<strong>ures pls visit :www.irf.net Thanks . Beating of Womens are Illegal in Islam…The right which are given by Islam to Women nothing given by any body. Beating of women is an individual act in any society , it is not specifically to muslims . If you go around the world you will you will see it .In AMERICA and WEST below are some fact which is shame full behaviour against women.could you have any justification for the below acts:

1- It is common in Europe to live without marriage with Women and having children….Is it fair with women??? Once Men’s lust is full then they choose another women ….Niether Society and Govt have any help for them.

2-In west & America , Rape of women is very common . According to statistics in every one second one women rapped in USA….Is it fair with womens?? It is all done by Mens !! open minded men!!!

3-In every Night ,Millions of Womens provide sexual entertainment in Bars and Night clubs …It is just for Men”s Lust and entertainment……Just for the sake to earn some dollars to live your life…..Is it humanity???

YOU MISINTERPRETING ISLAMIC VALUES AND TEACHING …if anybody want to see real pictures pls visit :www.irf.net

Thanks .

]]> By: dzed http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/15/the-rules-of-islamic-wife-beating/#comment-35461 dzed Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:14:32 +0000 http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/15/the-rules-of-islamic-wife-beating/#comment-35461 I do wish the videos from this site would work for me...but either way, i always find it interesting to see how many of our morals are broken when someone with holds their own beleifs and they beleive it to be all fine and dandy. No two people will ever think 100% alike, different religions and this and that will always clash. And yes Dawn's story is sad. But this is the common America and things close to those occurances are not out of the ordinary...and yes its a terrible realization, but it is the truth. People are too wrapped in themselves to do anything about anyone but themselves now a days, maybe thats the way it should be, maybe it isnt. I find if i take care of myself, i am the only person in the world i can rely on completely. People change and wars start and end, people die and tragedies arise. Things do happen must i say, some to the better of us. But with that i must be off. Goodbye and best wishes Dawn. Jessica I do wish the videos from this site would work for me…but either way, i always find it interesting to see how many of our morals are broken when someone with holds their own beleifs and they beleive it to be all fine and dandy. No two people will ever think 100% alike, different religions and this and that will always clash. And yes Dawn’s story is sad. But this is the common America and things close to those occurances are not out of the ordinary…and yes its a terrible realization, but it is the truth. People are too wrapped in themselves to do anything about anyone but themselves now a days, maybe thats the way it should be, maybe it isnt. I find if i take care of myself, i am the only person in the world i can rely on completely. People change and wars start and end, people die and tragedies arise. Things do happen must i say, some to the better of us. But with that i must be off. Goodbye and best wishes Dawn.

Jessica

]]> By: Nassrine http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/15/the-rules-of-islamic-wife-beating/#comment-33966 Nassrine Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:55:51 +0000 http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/15/the-rules-of-islamic-wife-beating/#comment-33966 Sweetie I feel so bad for you but you need to realize that putting your husband under the title MUSLIM is wrong because men in general from every race, creed, and religion can do what your husband has done to you. Go get help but dont think that by giving a bad image about Islam and Muslim will help your case because it doesnt. If you want support from people you can start by not labelling people. You shouldnt have gone into a relationship with him in the first place. Besides he isnt a real muslim because if he was he should know that when a wife wants divorce he must give it to her right away because if he doesnt he will be hurting her and it is unlawful to keep a woman as your wife if she doesnt want you. I am muslim too and I feel really sorry for you. What he is doing is very wrong. If he was my husband I would have divorced him long ago. You should have your lawyer go against him in court and get letters of recommendation from people saying that you are a good mther that way you will be able to keep your child, who will NEVER be good in the hands of a man like that. GOOD LUCK I HOPE EVERYTHING WORKS OUT FOR YOU. Sweetie I feel so bad for you but you need to realize that putting your husband under the title MUSLIM is wrong because men in general from every race, creed, and religion can do what your husband has done to you. Go get help but dont think that by giving a bad image about Islam and Muslim will help your case because it doesnt. If you want support from people you can start by not labelling people. You shouldnt have gone into a relationship with him in the first place. Besides he isnt a real muslim because if he was he should know that when a wife wants divorce he must give it to her right away because if he doesnt he will be hurting her and it is unlawful to keep a woman as your wife if she doesnt want you.
I am muslim too and I feel really sorry for you. What he is doing is very wrong. If he was my husband I would have divorced him long ago. You should have your lawyer go against him in court and get letters of recommendation from people saying that you are a good mther that way you will be able to keep your child, who will NEVER be good in the hands of a man like that. GOOD LUCK I HOPE EVERYTHING WORKS OUT FOR YOU.

]]> By: Nassrine http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/15/the-rules-of-islamic-wife-beating/#comment-33964 Nassrine Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:42:02 +0000 http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/15/the-rules-of-islamic-wife-beating/#comment-33964 It is very funny how people manage to make Islam seem like a voilent religion that is demeaning and degrading to women while at the same time avoiding to mention other religions. I took a World Religons class and when we studied women in the religions Islam, Chrisitianity and Judasim we found that Islam treated its women in the best manner. While studying Chrisitianity and the position of women in that religion, we learned that a Christian man is allowed to beat his wife for even the smallest of mistakes like not bringing him a cup of water. Also, christian women have absolutely no rights. She must give up her rights, free will, her money and property and her own free soul to her husband. In Islam women are considered valuable and are supposed to be loved and cherished. The Quran clearly states that the heavens are under the feet of the mothers. This shows the high level of respect Islam gives to womenm. Any muslim man who hits his wife is acting based on culture or his own idiotic ideas but it has nothing to do with Islam. So before you talk about someone else's religion talk about your own, and if you dont have one focus on all religions, not only one. It makes me laugh how one of the commentor's said that American men hate the fact that people hit their wives, while they have a very high rate of women abuse. Furthermore, before bringing up a specific religion talk about the media which demeans and degrades women every single day. When speaking about Islam please watch what you say and make sure you get your information straight, or how about something even better dont talk about Islam because Islam wans nothing with you and mind your own business. It is very funny how people manage to make Islam seem like a voilent religion that is demeaning and degrading to women while at the same time avoiding to mention other religions. I took a World Religons class and when we studied women in the religions Islam, Chrisitianity and Judasim we found that Islam treated its women in the best manner. While studying Chrisitianity and the position of women in that religion, we learned that a Christian man is allowed to beat his wife for even the smallest of mistakes like not bringing him a cup of water. Also, christian women have absolutely no rights. She must give up her rights, free will, her money and property and her own free soul to her husband. In Islam women are considered valuable and are supposed to be loved and cherished. The Quran clearly states that the heavens are under the feet of the mothers. This shows the high level of respect Islam gives to womenm. Any muslim man who hits his wife is acting based on culture or his own idiotic ideas but it has nothing to do with Islam. So before you talk about someone else’s religion talk about your own, and if you dont have one focus on all religions, not only one. It makes me laugh how one of the commentor’s said that American men hate the fact that people hit their wives, while they have a very high rate of women abuse. Furthermore, before bringing up a specific religion talk about the media which demeans and degrades women every single day. When speaking about Islam please watch what you say and make sure you get your information straight, or how about something even better dont talk about Islam because Islam wans nothing with you and mind your own business.

]]> By: John P. http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/15/the-rules-of-islamic-wife-beating/#comment-28921 John P. Sun, 21 Oct 2007 23:33:36 +0000 http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/15/the-rules-of-islamic-wife-beating/#comment-28921 Hmmm. That explains why there was no reply to my comment. John Hmmm. That explains why there was no reply to my comment.

John

]]> By: Tom Barr http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/15/the-rules-of-islamic-wife-beating/#comment-28903 Tom Barr Sun, 21 Oct 2007 21:38:16 +0000 http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/15/the-rules-of-islamic-wife-beating/#comment-28903 John, Bushra was not well versed in his answering. He is well versed in cut and paste with out proper citing. http://www.answering-christianity.com/beating_no.htm John,
Bushra was not well versed in his answering. He is well versed in cut and paste with out proper citing.

http://www.answering-christianity.com/beating_no.htm

]]> By: John P. http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/15/the-rules-of-islamic-wife-beating/#comment-5073 John P. Thu, 24 May 2007 13:37:32 +0000 http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/15/the-rules-of-islamic-wife-beating/#comment-5073 Dawn, I too am sorry to hear about the horrible experience you are going through. We have a close friend who went through an experience similar to yours and it was hell trying to extricate her from the situation. The good news is that she is now free of the lunatic and happily going on with her life. I have seen first hand how hard it is to get the Police and courts to take action. You almost need an attorney and that costs real money - something not many women in your situation can afford. If you could share a few of the details that Adi (ROR Guy) just asked we'll see what we can do to find you some assistance. You can also use my contact form above if you would rather reach me privately. John Dawn,

I too am sorry to hear about the horrible experience you are going through. We have a close friend who went through an experience similar to yours and it was hell trying to extricate her from the situation. The good news is that she is now free of the lunatic and happily going on with her life.

I have seen first hand how hard it is to get the Police and courts to take action. You almost need an attorney and that costs real money – something not many women in your situation can afford.

If you could share a few of the details that Adi (ROR Guy) just asked we’ll see what we can do to find you some assistance. You can also use my contact form above if you would rather reach me privately.

John

]]> By: ruby on rails guy http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/15/the-rules-of-islamic-wife-beating/#comment-5063 ruby on rails guy Thu, 24 May 2007 06:08:56 +0000 http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/15/the-rules-of-islamic-wife-beating/#comment-5063 I am so sorry to hear that Dawn. Thats so sad story and I wish we can help you. Where are you living? Are living in the USA, if yes, you should be fine, you can go to court and get your rights. If you are living outside the USA, say the country name and I will try to help. My cousin is responsible for women rights in an Arabic country. I live in LA, CA. Where is your husband from? Or we can give you advice from me or from the man and other blog readers. God Bless you! I am so sorry to hear that Dawn. Thats so sad story and I wish we can help you.

Where are you living? Are living in the USA, if yes, you should be fine, you can go to court and get your rights. If you are living outside the USA, say the country name and I will try to help. My cousin is responsible for women rights in an Arabic country. I live in LA, CA.

Where is your husband from?

Or we can give you advice from me or from the man and other blog readers.

God Bless you!

]]> By: Dawn http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/15/the-rules-of-islamic-wife-beating/#comment-5062 Dawn Thu, 24 May 2007 06:04:08 +0000 http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/15/the-rules-of-islamic-wife-beating/#comment-5062 Hello, Your comments were helpful; I am living in a violent relationship with a muslum man. Now there is a baby involved. He has lied to me, degraded me, hit me. I am scared for my child. I left him last September to protect her. He has never been around her and she is 18 months old now. He has threatened to kill me. I have notified the police and got a restraining order for my daughter and I. He retailiated and said I didnt obey him and that I am his forever. She and I were going to disappear; I had everything packed and I was served papers trying to get visitation of my daughter. He told me that way I will have to see him on a schedule and cant ignore him. So I cant leave now. He has people watch me and threaten me. It is so hard to get help because everyone wants to do everything legally. I am afraid something will happen to me and then he will get her. I live in fear everyday of my life. There is so much to say about what I have went through for six years. He had me scared to death to ever leave him, I lost my job, had no friends... He accused me everyday that I was unworthy, trash, ... then he would say I love you. I just wish someone would help before it is to late. It is so hard to escape him. I feel I will never have a normal life for my daughter and I. Hello,

Your comments were helpful; I am living in a violent relationship with a muslum man. Now there is a baby involved. He has lied to me, degraded me, hit me. I am scared for my child. I left him last September to protect her. He has never been around her and she is 18 months old now. He has threatened to kill me. I have notified the police and got a restraining order for my daughter and I. He retailiated and said I didnt obey him and that I am his forever. She and I were going to disappear; I had everything packed and I was served papers trying to get visitation of my daughter. He told me that way I will have to see him on a schedule and cant ignore him. So I cant leave now. He has people watch me and threaten me. It is so hard to get help because everyone wants to do everything legally. I am afraid something will happen to me and then he will get her. I live in fear everyday of my life. There is so much to say about what I have went through for six years. He had me scared to death to ever leave him, I lost my job, had no friends… He accused me everyday that I was unworthy, trash, … then he would say I love you. I just wish someone would help before it is to late. It is so hard to escape him. I feel I will never have a normal life for my daughter and I.

]]> By: ruby on rails guy http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/15/the-rules-of-islamic-wife-beating/#comment-4808 ruby on rails guy Thu, 17 May 2007 15:04:29 +0000 http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/15/the-rules-of-islamic-wife-beating/#comment-4808 You are welcome John. What you see in these videos is nothing compared to what happen in reality.. Like Taliban used to use GYMs to execute women who is not behaving well!?!? Something if does not make you cry, will make you laugh! Thank You are welcome John. What you see in these videos is nothing compared to what happen in reality.. Like Taliban used to use GYMs to execute women who is not behaving well!?!?

Something if does not make you cry, will make you laugh!

Thank

]]> By: John P. http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/15/the-rules-of-islamic-wife-beating/#comment-4797 John P. Thu, 17 May 2007 10:54:33 +0000 http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/15/the-rules-of-islamic-wife-beating/#comment-4797 Wow! Those are two of the most powerful videos I've ever seen. Thanks for sharing them! And thank you for your kind words. John Wow! Those are two of the most powerful videos I’ve ever seen. Thanks for sharing them! And thank you for your kind words.

John

]]> By: ruby on rails guy http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/15/the-rules-of-islamic-wife-beating/#comment-4787 ruby on rails guy Thu, 17 May 2007 05:52:44 +0000 http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/15/the-rules-of-islamic-wife-beating/#comment-4787 John: God bless you! I do appreciate your last reply when you tried to give phone numbers to help women. Yes, if you were a women and you were living with a person who is beating you, YOU MUST do what John said. I lived in Islamic society almost 22 years (even though I am Christian, I do find it common that a husband beats his wife in my society especially in villages. In my country, the Ministry of statistics have done many surveys, one of the surveys declared that 67% of my country women find it totally OKAY if the husband beats his wife. Just one moment, my country is one of the most civilized islamic countries. In my country, women get killed every day since they may talk or just gave a little attention to a guy, they get killed!!! We call it honor crimes. Please see this movie, he is another moron talking about Women!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrH6Fu15tkA Those people MUST change, their mentality MUST change.... Freedom for women, freedom for web surfers, You can see another video (not so related): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4JQk6qRBM0 God bless you! John: God bless you! I do appreciate your last reply when you tried to give phone numbers to help women.

Yes, if you were a women and you were living with a person who is beating you, YOU MUST do what John said.

I lived in Islamic society almost 22 years (even though I am Christian, I do find it common that a husband beats his wife in my society especially in villages. In my country, the Ministry of statistics have done many surveys, one of the surveys declared that 67% of my country women find it totally OKAY if the husband beats his wife. Just one moment, my country is one of the most civilized islamic countries. In my country, women get killed every day since they may talk or just gave a little attention to a guy, they get killed!!! We call it honor crimes.

Please see this movie, he is another moron talking about Women!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrH6Fu15tkA

Those people MUST change, their mentality MUST change…. Freedom for women, freedom for web surfers,

You can see another video (not so related):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4JQk6qRBM0

God bless you!

]]> By: The Man http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/15/the-rules-of-islamic-wife-beating/#comment-3342 The Man Thu, 26 Apr 2007 16:45:54 +0000 http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/15/the-rules-of-islamic-wife-beating/#comment-3342 Kathy, I am of the personal belief that women are, in every way that matters, equal to men. I would not follow any religious system that sets man above woman and frankly I am surprised that women are willing to subject themselves to second class status because of any ancient text written by someone who literally didn't even know the Earth was round or what oxygen is. Despite what any text suggests I do not believe that a man has a right to lay a hand on a woman (or another man) in any harmful manner. The lone exception comes in the form of law enforcement, and that is merely in a reactive capacity. If you are in a relationship where your signifigant other brings you any physical bodily harm - or even just terrorizes you, please leave. If you have to flee your own country, take your children and do it. If you are in the US please call the <a href="http://www.ndvh.org/" rel="nofollow">National Domestic Violence Hotline</a> at 800-799-SAFE. I know it is extremely difficult to escape an abusive relationship. The only advice that I can provide is that if you are totally committed to improving your life - and you must be 100% committed - there are people who will help you to actually be happy beyond what you can currently imagine. John Kathy,

I am of the personal belief that women are, in every way that matters, equal to men. I would not follow any religious system that sets man above woman and frankly I am surprised that women are willing to subject themselves to second class status because of any ancient text written by someone who literally didn’t even know the Earth was round or what oxygen is.

Despite what any text suggests I do not believe that a man has a right to lay a hand on a woman (or another man) in any harmful manner. The lone exception comes in the form of law enforcement, and that is merely in a reactive capacity.

If you are in a relationship where your signifigant other brings you any physical bodily harm – or even just terrorizes you, please leave. If you have to flee your own country, take your children and do it. If you are in the US please call the National Domestic Violence Hotline at 800-799-SAFE.

I know it is extremely difficult to escape an abusive relationship. The only advice that I can provide is that if you are totally committed to improving your life – and you must be 100% committed – there are people who will help you to actually be happy beyond what you can currently imagine.

John

]]> By: kathy almomani http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/15/the-rules-of-islamic-wife-beating/#comment-3316 kathy almomani Thu, 26 Apr 2007 06:27:15 +0000 http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/15/the-rules-of-islamic-wife-beating/#comment-3316 (in the name of allah)allah is and grate and fair but mens are not fair to women women gets slaped smaked around alot it not fair and men who beat there wifes are dogs discusting to and some men are sick in the heads no afence men mens get sensative if a women is smarter then him he hit her for that men get afrade if women get richer than him but i say ther some men are kind an good to women (in the name of allah)allah is and grate and fair but mens are not fair to women women gets slaped smaked around alot it not fair and men who beat there wifes are dogs discusting to and some men are sick in the heads no afence men mens get sensative if a women is smarter then him he hit her for that men get afrade if women get richer than him but i say ther some men are kind an good to women

]]> By: The Man http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/15/the-rules-of-islamic-wife-beating/#comment-877 The Man Sat, 17 Mar 2007 03:02:32 +0000 http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/15/the-rules-of-islamic-wife-beating/#comment-877 Bushra, First of all, thank you very much for that insightful and revealing interpretation. I can tell that you are well versed and I very much appreciate the clarification you've provided. As I understand it from your interpretation the preferred method of discipline for a woman may not be, at least initially, to physically punish her; but instead to seek more peaceful alternatives to persuade her to act appropriately. For me however, this fact doesn't really change the initial curiosity I expressed when posting the article for the following reasons: <ul> <li>In the US, and I'm guessing most European nations, the law simply doesn't allow a man to beat anyone - except in self defence.</li> <li>Even if the practice of wife beating is not routinely encouraged, the fact that it is allowed in the Islamic faith would be in direct conflict with laws of the land.</li> <li>Most Americans would consider a man beating any woman to be one of the most dishonorable acts humanly possible. It's right up there with murder and child molestation. If, for example, I were to witness a man striking a woman - any woman - I would hospitalize him.</li> </ul> I should have been more specific about the underlying concepts I find captivating here: <ul> <li>Muslims believe that by divination men are inherently superior to women, and that attitude is reflected in every aspect of society. Examples: women must be completely covered at all times (as if they were shameful sexual objects), women have fewer legal rights in society than men, women must be separated from men in places of worship, women who are raped by evil men are treated like damaged goods and ostracised rather than receiving sympathy and help.</li> <li>Christians are not immune from scrutiny here either. The bible also sets men above women, but I'm not aware of any passages that condone or even allow beating any woman.</li> <li>Non-believers in general (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheist" rel="nofollow">athiests</a>, or <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism" rel="nofollow">agnostics</a>) tend to view men and women as equally responsible for themselves, and therefor peers. In this case neither possess any special status, rights or power over the other.</li> </ul> In my opinion none of these opinions offer room for debate. There are only two possible future outcomes: <ol> <li>Each group allows the other to believe whatever they like and chooses to co-exist in harmony.</li> <li>One group attempts to eliminate others that don't share their view leading to conflict, bloodshed and pain. This is an outcome that believers may still be happy with if they feel they are remaining true to their faith; however, non-believers will be very, very unhappy. And the most unhappy people tend to stick to their guns much longer in any conflict</li> </ol> Take care, John Bushra,

First of all, thank you very much for that insightful and revealing interpretation. I can tell that you are well versed and I very much appreciate the clarification you’ve provided.

As I understand it from your interpretation the preferred method of discipline for a woman may not be, at least initially, to physically punish her; but instead to seek more peaceful alternatives to persuade her to act appropriately.

For me however, this fact doesn’t really change the initial curiosity I expressed when posting the article for the following reasons:

  • In the US, and I’m guessing most European nations, the law simply doesn’t allow a man to beat anyone – except in self defence.
  • Even if the practice of wife beating is not routinely encouraged, the fact that it is allowed in the Islamic faith would be in direct conflict with laws of the land.
  • Most Americans would consider a man beating any woman to be one of the most dishonorable acts humanly possible. It’s right up there with murder and child molestation. If, for example, I were to witness a man striking a woman – any woman – I would hospitalize him.

I should have been more specific about the underlying concepts I find captivating here:

  • Muslims believe that by divination men are inherently superior to women, and that attitude is reflected in every aspect of society. Examples: women must be completely covered at all times (as if they were shameful sexual objects), women have fewer legal rights in society than men, women must be separated from men in places of worship, women who are raped by evil men are treated like damaged goods and ostracised rather than receiving sympathy and help.
  • Christians are not immune from scrutiny here either. The bible also sets men above women, but I’m not aware of any passages that condone or even allow beating any woman.
  • Non-believers in general (athiests, or agnostics) tend to view men and women as equally responsible for themselves, and therefor peers. In this case neither possess any special status, rights or power over the other.

In my opinion none of these opinions offer room for debate. There are only two possible future outcomes:

  1. Each group allows the other to believe whatever they like and chooses to co-exist in harmony.
  2. One group attempts to eliminate others that don’t share their view leading to conflict, bloodshed and pain. This is an outcome that believers may still be happy with if they feel they are remaining true to their faith; however, non-believers will be very, very unhappy. And the most unhappy people tend to stick to their guns much longer in any conflict

Take care,

John

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