Comments on: Prius Outdoes Hummer in Environmental Damage http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-damage/ Specialization is for Insects. Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:29:02 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Marcia http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-damage/#comment-50913 Marcia Tue, 01 Sep 2009 16:25:19 +0000 http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-damage/#comment-50913 they don't use nickel batteries anymore, and they definitely last waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over 100,000 miles. I'm sure there are other things you missed, but I don't feel like reading that thoroughly ; ) they don’t use nickel batteries anymore, and they definitely last waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over 100,000 miles. I’m sure there are other things you missed, but I don’t feel like reading that thoroughly ; )

]]> By: Concerened citizen http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-damage/#comment-50149 Concerened citizen Tue, 04 Aug 2009 08:46:23 +0000 http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-damage/#comment-50149 Ok the prius batteries are made at a non environmentely freindly plant their is a dead zone around that alone starts to take the prius down a notch. You can't say the prius saves money and dosent pollute as much the batteries are shipped on a freighter those run on disel they pollute the earth black smoke comes out the stack lord knows what's in that. It also takes more to charge a battery than it puts out. The electricty bills will also go up when you plug the damn thing in your wall also they catch on fire easy and if you can't get out your screwed cause they won't use the jaws of life cause it will fry the firemen because the electricity flows thru the car and their is no environentely friendly way to get rid of a toxic battery it's toxic are you going to wave your magic wand and make it un toxic no cause it's not possible Ok the prius batteries are made at a non environmentely freindly plant
their is a dead zone around that alone starts to take the prius down a notch. You can’t say the prius saves money and dosent pollute as much the batteries are shipped on a freighter those run on disel they pollute the earth black smoke comes out the stack lord knows what’s in that. It also takes more to charge a battery than it puts out. The electricty bills will also go up when you plug the damn thing in your wall also they catch on fire easy and if you can’t get out your screwed cause they won’t use the jaws of life cause it will fry the firemen because the electricity flows thru the car and their is no environentely friendly way to get rid of a toxic battery it’s toxic are you going to wave your magic wand and make it un toxic no cause it’s not possible

]]> By: cys http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-damage/#comment-48906 cys Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:51:16 +0000 http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-damage/#comment-48906 I am very curious about the math here. $3.25/mile over 100,000 miles translates to $325,000. A brand-new prius cost about $25,000, and 100,000 miles costs about 2200 gallons of gas. Assume $2.50/gl gas, we still have $325,000 - $25,000 - $5500 = $294,500 gap here. I wonder where the $294,500 money goes and who is paying for that? I don't think maintain a prius for 10 yrs and recycle it can cost $294,500. I am very curious about the math here. $3.25/mile over 100,000 miles translates to $325,000. A brand-new prius cost about $25,000, and 100,000 miles costs about 2200 gallons of gas. Assume $2.50/gl gas, we still have $325,000 – $25,000 – $5500 = $294,500 gap here. I wonder where the $294,500 money goes and who is paying for that? I don’t think maintain a prius for 10 yrs and recycle it can cost $294,500.

]]> By: Dennis MacLeod http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-damage/#comment-40947 Dennis MacLeod Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:57:05 +0000 http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-damage/#comment-40947 I don't know where to start in debunking the erroneous information given in this article. The original news article that this information came from was a complete distortion of the facts at hand. First Sudbury, Ontario did once have environmental problems but in the last twenty five years it has turned this around and has won numerous awards for its environmental improvements. This clean up was done up long before the Prius was even built. Second battery recycling is a success story we should be proud of. When batteries are recycled 99% of the battery is reclaimed in an environmentally responsible manner. The materials in a Prius battery are so valuable and in high demand there is no reason that they would ever be deposed of in an improper way. The energy usage figures are completely distorted to make the results come out. There are Prius that have gone over 300,000 miles with NO major problems or repairs. I would be surprised if any Hummers could say that. Is the Prius the ultimate answer no? But it is a significant step to a better future. I don’t know where to start in debunking the erroneous information given in this article. The original news article that this information came from was a complete distortion of the facts at hand.

First Sudbury, Ontario did once have environmental problems but in the last twenty five years it has turned this around and has won numerous awards for its environmental improvements. This clean up was done up long before the Prius was even built.

Second battery recycling is a success story we should be proud of. When batteries are recycled 99% of the battery is reclaimed in an environmentally responsible manner. The materials in a Prius battery are so valuable and in high demand there is no reason that they would ever be deposed of in an improper way.

The energy usage figures are completely distorted to make the results come out. There are Prius that have gone over 300,000 miles with NO major problems or repairs. I would be surprised if any Hummers could say that.

Is the Prius the ultimate answer no? But it is a significant step to a better future.

]]> By: Matthew http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-damage/#comment-40915 Matthew Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:48:56 +0000 http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-damage/#comment-40915 then why does the prius only cost $23000 new and the hummer $57000 new, plus if you buy a prius you will save nearly $60000 over 10 years, between vehicle cost and gas savings then why does the prius only cost $23000 new and the hummer $57000 new, plus if you buy a prius you will save nearly $60000 over 10 years, between vehicle cost and gas savings

]]> By: mobocracy http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-damage/#comment-40102 mobocracy Mon, 07 Jul 2008 05:08:08 +0000 http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-damage/#comment-40102 The only thing I have to add is this: H2 Hummer over 100k miles would use 61,000 lbs of fuel (13 miles/gallon) and resulting pollution. I'm not following the 300k miles logic. The Prius would use 18,000 lbs of fuel - a difference of 43,000 pounds of fuel over 100k miles. According to http://www.infinitepower.org/calc_carbon.htm - this would be 32,000 pounds of carbon into the atmosphere. Almost the same as two more Prius - maybe that is were the 300k comes from :) Mob The only thing I have to add is this:
H2 Hummer over 100k miles would use 61,000 lbs of fuel (13 miles/gallon) and resulting pollution. I’m not following the 300k miles logic.
The Prius would use 18,000 lbs of fuel – a difference of 43,000 pounds of fuel over 100k miles.
According to http://www.infinitepower.org/calc_carbon.htm – this would be 32,000 pounds of carbon into the atmosphere.
Almost the same as two more Prius – maybe that is were the 300k comes from :)

Mob

]]> By: Todor http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-damage/#comment-39827 Todor Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:51:14 +0000 http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-damage/#comment-39827 Yeah .... yeah but the price of gas still goes up pal :) I will be glad when it reaches $10 per gallon Yeah …. yeah
but the price of gas still goes up pal :)
I will be glad when it reaches $10 per gallon

]]> By: Dk http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-damage/#comment-36719 Dk Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:26:20 +0000 http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-damage/#comment-36719 Bob....... 1. What your missing is that the batteries your beloved hybrid wont last much more than ten years. They are only $4000 so don't worry..... 2. As the other posts suggest mileage is only one factor. Production impact and other environmental/social factors should also be considered. 3. Lexus is a wholly owned subsidiary of Toyota. My comment about the Lexus's applies very well to the Prius crowd also..... I would suggest you read up on marketing/brainwashing and watch a few commercials about hybrids in more introspective light. 4. 45 mpg really is not that exceptional. My wife's 2001 Corrolla gets around that. And I am certain a diesel of similar size would average around 60 all for much less than a hybrid. 5. The method with which you defend your position mostly substantiates my claim. You bring in extraineous points that are mostly irellevent, and as far as I can tell lack technical knowledge of either cars or environmental cost accounting..... Bob…….

1. What your missing is that the batteries your beloved hybrid wont last much more than ten years. They are only $4000 so don’t worry…..

2. As the other posts suggest mileage is only one factor. Production impact and other environmental/social factors should also be considered.

3. Lexus is a wholly owned subsidiary of Toyota. My comment about the Lexus’s applies very well to the Prius crowd also….. I would suggest you read up on marketing/brainwashing and watch a few commercials about hybrids in more introspective light.

4. 45 mpg really is not that exceptional. My wife’s 2001 Corrolla gets around that. And I am certain a diesel of similar size would average around 60 all for much less than a hybrid.

5. The method with which you defend your position mostly substantiates my claim. You bring in extraineous points that are mostly irellevent, and as far as I can tell lack technical knowledge of either cars or environmental cost accounting…..

]]> By: Robert Hill http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-damage/#comment-36650 Robert Hill Tue, 11 Mar 2008 04:41:35 +0000 http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-damage/#comment-36650 DK, I know nothing about Lexus drivers, but as a five-year Prius driver, I think you may be, as you suggest, missing a few things. 1. I am counting on my Prius to last a lot longer than eight years. I have no idea where your suggestion that it won't comes from, but long experience with Toyota products gives me hope that I'll be driving this one until technology comes up with something better. 2. I enjoy my belief, so far well substantiated, that my car will start when I want it to, go where I want it to, and stop when I want it to, reliably. I haven't spent a cent for repairs other than regular maintenance. 3. By using my bike when I can, public transportation when it's convenient enough, and my Prius only when a car is really required, I am burning less than 10 gallons of fuel per month. Over a year of mostly urban driving, I'm getting 45 mpg or better. Whether my fuel savings will justify the cost of this car, which I bought new, depends on (a) how long it lasts, (b) its resale value when I stop using it, if I ever do, and (c) the cost of fuel over its lifetime. For quite a while now, the trend for fuel has been pretty steadily in one direction, wouldn't you say? 4. Being a hatchback with fold-down rear seats, my Prius can function almost as a small truck. Using tie-downs, we've moved household items as large as a four-drawer dresser safely from place to place. With the rear seat in place, passengers in the back ride comfortably. 5. It accelerates well and, with cruise control as standard equipment, it is great to drive for long distances. 6. And, you're right that a part of my joy in this car has to do with a feeling: that I am polluting the air a little less when I drive than I would be in any other car I know of. It is a pleasure to sit at a red light, using no fuel until the light changes and I accelerate smoothly away. I know I am fortunate to be able to afford a Prius. I suspect I might have been more ecologically responsible if I had bought a smaller, used Toyota. One of those I had a while back served me for years for ten-cents a mile, all costs considered. So maybe I should admit that for me the Prius is a luxury car. Of the feelings I have about my car, one that plays a not very large part is guilt. -- Bob DK, I know nothing about Lexus drivers, but as a five-year Prius driver, I think you may be, as you suggest, missing a few things.

1. I am counting on my Prius to last a lot longer than eight years. I have no idea where your suggestion that it won’t comes from, but long experience with Toyota products gives me hope that I’ll be driving this one until technology comes up with something better.

2. I enjoy my belief, so far well substantiated, that my car will start when I want it to, go where I want it to, and stop when I want it to, reliably. I haven’t spent a cent for repairs other than regular maintenance.

3. By using my bike when I can, public transportation when it’s convenient enough, and my Prius only when a car is really required, I am burning less than 10 gallons of fuel per month. Over a year of mostly urban driving, I’m getting 45 mpg or better. Whether my fuel savings will justify the cost of this car, which I bought new, depends on (a) how long it lasts, (b) its resale value when I stop using it, if I ever do, and (c) the cost of fuel over its lifetime. For quite a while now, the trend for fuel has been pretty steadily in one direction, wouldn’t you say?

4. Being a hatchback with fold-down rear seats, my Prius can function almost as a small truck. Using tie-downs, we’ve moved household items as large as a four-drawer dresser safely from place to place. With the rear seat in place, passengers in the back ride comfortably.

5. It accelerates well and, with cruise control as standard equipment, it is great to drive for long distances.

6. And, you’re right that a part of my joy in this car has to do with a feeling: that I am polluting the air a little less when I drive than I would be in any other car I know of. It is a pleasure to sit at a red light, using no fuel until the light changes and I accelerate smoothly away.

I know I am fortunate to be able to afford a Prius. I suspect I might have been more ecologically responsible if I had bought a smaller, used Toyota. One of those I had a while back served me for years for ten-cents a mile, all costs considered. So maybe I should admit that for me the Prius is a luxury car. Of the feelings I have about my car, one that plays a not very large part is guilt. — Bob

]]> By: DK http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-damage/#comment-36647 DK Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:52:46 +0000 http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-damage/#comment-36647 After reading a few of these posts, here and elsewhere I have come to conclude the following. People who buy support, or otherwise view hybrids favorably, are almost wholly motivated by emotion. Thus, I buy a hybrid because it makes me feel good. It cleans my conscience of the fact that I am really not doing all to much for the environment and unwilling to make REAL changes to my life. Also, I get mad when any one points this out because any criticisms of hybrids are merely based upon emotion rather than fact and mostly put out there by people who do not care about the environment.... RIGHT? Or am I missing something about the fine counesuers of a $100k Lexus that gets 22 mpg or a Prius that only lasts 8 years and will never save enough gas to justify its existence? After reading a few of these posts, here and elsewhere I have come to conclude the following. People who buy support, or otherwise view hybrids favorably, are almost wholly motivated by emotion. Thus, I buy a hybrid because it makes me feel good. It cleans my conscience of the fact that I am really not doing all to much for the environment and unwilling to make REAL changes to my life. Also, I get mad when any one points this out because any criticisms of hybrids are merely based upon emotion rather than fact and mostly put out there by people who do not care about the environment…. RIGHT? Or am I missing something about the fine counesuers of a $100k Lexus that gets 22 mpg or a Prius that only lasts 8 years and will never save enough gas to justify its existence?

]]> By: JLF http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-damage/#comment-36562 JLF Sun, 09 Mar 2008 01:18:51 +0000 http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-damage/#comment-36562 Holy smokes. As I was reading each claim in the article, the language seemed awful vague in terms of sourcing it's claims or putting any perspective around it. Now it's clear. I don't think the internet has ever seen such a smackdown. I'm not sure if "One Man's Blog" actually endorses the nonsense he reposted, but it sure sure doesn't help his credibility. Holy smokes. As I was reading each claim in the article, the language seemed awful vague in terms of sourcing it’s claims or putting any perspective around it. Now it’s clear. I don’t think the internet has ever seen such a smackdown. I’m not sure if “One Man’s Blog” actually endorses the nonsense he reposted, but it sure sure doesn’t help his credibility.

]]> By: Aaron http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-damage/#comment-36532 Aaron Sat, 08 Mar 2008 02:15:48 +0000 http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-damage/#comment-36532 "Chris Demorro" CNW Marketing Research, Inc. "dust to dust" article is a flawed with many unrealistic assumptions. Nickel mining has absolutely nothing to do with people who drive a Prius: If you believe the Canadian government doesn't have environmental laws then you are clearly confused. If you believe a Hummer is an environmentally friend vehicle then you are confused! If you believe that a Prius stops functioning after 100K miles then you are clearly confused. If you believe that a Hummer can go 300K miles on average then you are clearly confused. If you believe the world is flat, that would make sense considering the lack of logic in your posting. “Chris Demorro”

CNW Marketing Research, Inc. “dust to dust” article is a flawed with many unrealistic assumptions.

Nickel mining has absolutely nothing to do with people who drive a Prius: If you believe the Canadian government doesn’t have environmental laws then you are clearly confused. If you believe a Hummer is an environmentally friend vehicle then you are confused! If you believe that a Prius stops functioning after 100K miles then you are clearly confused. If you believe that a Hummer can go 300K miles on average then you are clearly confused. If you believe the world is flat, that would make sense considering the lack of logic in your posting.

]]> By: DK http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-damage/#comment-35138 DK Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:58:32 +0000 http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-damage/#comment-35138 Hehe... I don't live in Michigcan or work for GM or any car company. I don't support the American automobile industry since I think most of their products are garbage. I own only toyota cars and honda bikes..... Regardless of that, for the stated reasons above hybrids are not green nor a viable form of technology. The issue here is how you calculate efficiency and environmental impact. One example outside of cars is green building standards. I live in the Northwest and recently read about a home show that showcased a 4900sqft "green" vacation home that allegely met the LED certification process. Ok they claim it is green by certain standards. However, if you look at the fact that it is absolutely huge for a single family, overprice hence not affordable by most standards, and is intended as a second home (hence displacing real hard working rural people) it does not really seem that green. Here's the rub. You "aka environementally conscious not too radical liberal" buy what ever the establishment continues to sell you and keep perpetuating an incredibly corrupt system or can look a little closer develop comphrehensive and effective theory and maybe actually change something for the better. Enough said typing with a broken finger is getting old.... Hehe… I don’t live in Michigcan or work for GM or any car company. I don’t support the American automobile industry since I think most of their products are garbage. I own only toyota cars and honda bikes….. Regardless of that, for the stated reasons above hybrids are not green nor a viable form of technology. The issue here is how you calculate efficiency and environmental impact. One example outside of cars is green building standards. I live in the Northwest and recently read about a home show that showcased a 4900sqft “green” vacation home that allegely met the LED certification process. Ok they claim it is green by certain standards. However, if you look at the fact that it is absolutely huge for a single family, overprice hence not affordable by most standards, and is intended as a second home (hence displacing real hard working rural people) it does not really seem that green. Here’s the rub. You “aka environementally conscious not too radical liberal” buy what ever the establishment continues to sell you and keep perpetuating an incredibly corrupt system or can look a little closer develop comphrehensive and effective theory and maybe actually change something for the better. Enough said typing with a broken finger is getting old….

]]> By: Jeff Ryal http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-damage/#comment-35046 Jeff Ryal Sat, 02 Feb 2008 13:26:35 +0000 http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-damage/#comment-35046 You are awesome! Thanks for exposing the ding dong that wrote this article. You are awesome! Thanks for exposing the ding dong that wrote this article.

]]> By: Jeff Ryal http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-damage/#comment-35045 Jeff Ryal Sat, 02 Feb 2008 13:13:40 +0000 http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-damage/#comment-35045 My friend don't be deceived. It is very obvious by the way in which you wrote your article that you are biased. Do you work for GM? I live in Michigan (the auto capitol). Please don't try and tell people how enviromentally friendly they are. You using the hummer as an example shows a total bias and lack of credability. Maybe you work for foreign oil. In that case I understand why you would tell people to drive that gas guzzeling pollution machine. The future is here join it. Oh and by the way our Prius gets 45 to 49 miles per gallon in the city. Your 5 year thing is totally innacurate. Instead of purchasing an outrageous amount of Saudi oil every month that money goes to a car payment. Hmm sounds like responsible hybrid owners are also concerned about our national security. My friend don’t be deceived. It is very obvious by the way in which you wrote your article that you are biased. Do you work for GM? I live in Michigan (the auto capitol). Please don’t try and tell people how enviromentally friendly they are. You using the hummer as an example shows a total bias and lack of credability. Maybe you work for foreign oil. In that case I understand why you would tell people to drive that gas guzzeling pollution machine. The future is here join it.
Oh and by the way our Prius gets 45 to 49 miles per gallon in the city. Your 5 year thing is totally innacurate. Instead of purchasing an outrageous amount of Saudi oil every month that money goes to a car payment. Hmm sounds like responsible hybrid owners are also concerned about our national security.

]]> By: DK http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-damage/#comment-34957 DK Wed, 30 Jan 2008 03:28:03 +0000 http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-damage/#comment-34957 Ah yes I must just love my H2. Actually I am phd educated socialist who knows a lot about machines. Hybrids are a fashion statement. Some one I know just dumped $65 K on a Lexus hybrid suv (It gets an amazing 25 around town and 20 highway) . I asked her why she bought it instead of a more modest conventional vehicle that gets better mileage and she replied :"I know they are great but I supporting research in alternative forms of transport...." All she is really supporting is Toyota profit margins... I give it about 10 years at most and people will look back on this as just another fad..... Ah yes I must just love my H2. Actually I am phd educated socialist who knows a lot about machines. Hybrids are a fashion statement. Some one I know just dumped $65 K on a Lexus hybrid suv (It gets an amazing 25 around town and 20 highway) . I asked her why she bought it instead of a more modest conventional vehicle that gets better mileage and she replied :”I know they are great but I supporting research in alternative forms of transport….” All she is really supporting is Toyota profit margins… I give it about 10 years at most and people will look back on this as just another fad…..

]]> By: Robert Hill http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-damage/#comment-34955 Robert Hill Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:35:46 +0000 http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-damage/#comment-34955 "This little gem" is a great example of how the Internet gets used to spread false information. The comments that follow provide ample refutation of the silly assumptions and strange logic, but how many people will read only the "gem" and skip to something else? While I was researching my book "Moving to Australia, Two Texans Down Under," I came across a similar, much-circulated piece that claimed crime shot up in Australia after the conservative Howard government faced down our version of the National Rifle Association and put in sensible gun control laws. Not so. False. But how many checked the readily available statistics. This Prius-bashing, pro-Hummer piece is no gem. -- Bob “This little gem” is a great example of how the Internet gets used to spread false information. The comments that follow provide ample refutation of the silly assumptions and strange logic, but how many people will read only the “gem” and skip to something else?

While I was researching my book “Moving to Australia, Two Texans Down Under,” I came across a similar, much-circulated piece that claimed crime shot up in Australia after the conservative Howard government faced down our version of the National Rifle Association and put in sensible gun control laws. Not so. False. But how many checked the readily available statistics.

This Prius-bashing, pro-Hummer piece is no gem. — Bob

]]> By: Xias http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-damage/#comment-34950 Xias Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:38:51 +0000 http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-damage/#comment-34950 I'll admit that the Prius in it's current form is not the most environmentally friendly vehicle, but there are improvements being made. As new models are rolled out, I think you'll notice substantial differences in terms of environmental friendliness. I’ll admit that the Prius in it’s current form is not the most environmentally friendly vehicle, but there are improvements being made. As new models are rolled out, I think you’ll notice substantial differences in terms of environmental friendliness.

]]> By: DK http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-damage/#comment-32886 DK Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:30:36 +0000 http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-damage/#comment-32886 Yes the small European cars are a much more viable option than hybrids. Also, it drives me insane to hear people who know nothing about automotive technology talk about it in an authoritative manner. I doubt American society would be in the mess it is if every car owner were forced to work on his own vehicle and understand the technology behind it. Also this understanding would help to eliminate some of the stupidity attached to cars and other technological objects since maybe people would recognize them for what they are: Mere technology and not symbols...... Of course considering how the crunchies are eating up the hybrid fad I think Detroit might plan a come back by producing and flex fuel vehicle that is fueled on compost and granolla... Yes the small European cars are a much more viable option than hybrids. Also, it drives me insane to hear people who know nothing about automotive technology talk about it in an authoritative manner. I doubt American society would be in the mess it is if every car owner were forced to work on his own vehicle and understand the technology behind it. Also this understanding would help to eliminate some of the stupidity attached to cars and other technological objects since maybe people would recognize them for what they are: Mere technology and not symbols…… Of course considering how the crunchies are eating up the hybrid fad I think Detroit might plan a come back by producing and flex fuel vehicle that is fueled on compost and granolla…

]]> By: jokeman http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-damage/#comment-32839 jokeman Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:46:03 +0000 http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-damage/#comment-32839 Just to clear things up... 60 mpg with a 3 series is a dream that will hardly ever come true. Even in Europe :) I'm from Europe and I drive a BMW 320D (2 liter diesel engine; 100kW=136HP). The average consumption of my car over 3 years that i have been driving it is 34,6MPG (6,7 l / 100 km). Even smaller diesel engines in the 3 series hardly do over 40MPG (if they are not driven by a grandma :)). Figures like that are reachable with smaller European cars like VW Lupo 3, which should have the consumption of about 78 mpg but realistically achieve about 58 mpg. Just to clear things up… 60 mpg with a 3 series is a dream that will hardly ever come true. Even in Europe :)

I’m from Europe and I drive a BMW 320D (2 liter diesel engine; 100kW=136HP). The average consumption of my car over 3 years that i have been driving it is 34,6MPG (6,7 l / 100 km). Even smaller diesel engines in the 3 series hardly do over 40MPG (if they are not driven by a grandma :)).

Figures like that are reachable with smaller European cars like VW Lupo 3, which should have the consumption of about 78 mpg but realistically achieve about 58 mpg.

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