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Posted on Apr 23, 2007 - 1:26am by John P. in Bladesmithing, Reviews
As a professionally trained Bladesmith I’m often asked for my opinion on affordable, commercially available cutlery that can be purchased locally. Since I’ve answered this question many times for friends and family I thought it might be useful to share here on the Blog.
Before we get started let me just say that there are a lot of different factors that go into the selection of a good set of knives, and if done properly there is no reason that a high quality kitchen knife can’t be put to service for 20 years or more.
Some of the factors that influenced my recommendations include steel composition, durability, “feel” or balance, aesthetics, and sanitary considerations.
I should note that I am focusing on sets of knives here because a matched set is always best. They’ll all fit in the same block together, they require similar care, they’ll have similar balance and feel, and they look best this way. I highly recommend purchasing a matched set and using the right knife for each particular job.
I’m sorry to report, but there is no set of knives that I can recommend below about $150. The main reason is that in order to make a good knife you have to start with high quality steel, then go through extremely high quality processes and frankly this is all quite expensive. The fact that we can purchase cheap knives today is amazing considering that just a couple hundred years ago it would have cost a pretty penny due to all the manual labor and specialized knowledge required of a Bladesmith.
So, if you’re on a tight budget the best option is to just get one or two knives at the moment then save up to purchase a block set. Here are the top three knives I recommend if I was only going to own one really good knife:
($60) – Although not ideal for all tasks, a 6″ utility knife would slice meat, dice veggies or help debone and skin a chicken. ($80) – If I was slicing lots of beef or tomatoes or things that generally tend to stick to a blade, I’d choose a Santoku because the grooves on the side help the blade slide through. However, anything below a 7″ Santoku is just not going to be functional.
Actually, I’m assuming that if you’re reading this you’re a little more selective than the “average consumer”, but I digress. A good “value” set of knives is the Henckels 10-piece Forged Set from had at Costco for $188. I’m 90% certain this set is assembled from the TWIN Gourmet series of knives.
Features of the Henckels 10 piece set:
Drawbacks of the Henckels 10 piece set:
I personally own, and love, the entire Calphalon Katana Series (I’ve got all the other pieces too, not just this set). For the money I think this represents the best value of any commercially available set – $300 for the 8 piece set (6 knives plus 1 block and 1 steel).
The Katana series has the following benefits:
The Katana series has the following drawbacks:
Although I bought my set at Linens and Things, it is also available from Amazon.com
If I had to rely on a set of knives for my profession I’d choose the Henckels Pro “S” knives, available at Bed Bath & Beyond, Macy’s or Amazon.com
You can see a great video on how these knives are produced on the Henckel Web site. Also, you may wish to peruse their other videos that cover things like use, safety and tips.
The Pro S Series has the following features:
The Pro S Series has the following drawbacks:
Without a doubt the finest commercially available set of cutlery (if you can find one) is the William Henry Maestro Collection – $3,000 for 5 piece set:
A name befitting its stature – the Maestro Collection from William Henry. Called “the finest cutlery ever produced,†this collection offers superb performance, timeless elegance, and a study in contrasts.
The blades are crafted from our Wave Damascus (patents pending) featuring a core of ZDP-189 surrounded by 44 layers of alternating stainless alloys. The 45 layers combine together to create a blade that is very sharp, exceptionally strong, and of incomparable beauty.
The handles are built from hand-selected cocobolo wood hand-finished to a beautiful luster. They join sculptural stainless steel bolsters that feature hidden weight reduction pockets for heft and balance.
Each knife features our engraved logo, a unique serial number, and a certificate of authenticity.
Although if you have the money to drop on the Maestro you could probably also afford a hand made set of cutlery from a professional Bladesmith. There would be a number of differences, not the least of which is the chance to own a one-of-a-kind, hand-crafted, highly customized and signed set made by a famous Master.
If you are interested in acquiring an heirloom quality set of knives you may contact me, and for a fee I’ll help design and either construct the set or introduce you to one of the Master Bladesmiths I trained under. Please be aware that the cost will be more than those William Henrys and the wait could be 6 months for a hand forged matched set. But hey, if price is truly not the issue then is there really any option?
Also, if you’d like to browse a few custom pieces of cutlery you can check out BladeGallery.com’s selection.
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CUTCO!!
Of course they aren’t available in the store following a Direct Marketing model where customers are referred by other customers. Pretty pricey but worth it, USA made too ;)
Good info in there, I don’t know any of the brands you’ve mentioned, being an Aussie…
Nick
My wife wants a nice set of knives, but her main quality seems to be “dishwasher safe”. You only mentioned on of the sets above being dishwasher safe. I’m assuming the “don’t leave wet for more than 1 hour” knives are NOT dishwasher safe. Would the other set (the “S” knives) be diswasher safe, and/or can you recommend a set that would fit her criteria?
If you want to keep a really good edge on your expensive knife, take the extra 60 seconds it takes to wash it by hand.
Cutco?
Come with a forever guarantee > http://www.cutco.com/customer/guarantee.jsp
Dishwasher safe, I use the dishwasher, I certainly don’t empty it as soon as its finished. My set are still awesome, had them for 7 years now. Even take them camping and outdoors, they are terrific!
Plus they are the part of the Ka-bar, US Military issue. Seriously you can’t go wrong with this product…
Mike,
The problem is that when we’re talking about steel there is a tradeoff which has to be made. Knives need to be really hard, and this means that the steel needs to have some carbon in it to be hardenable (usually .5 – 1%). The problem is, high carbon steel rusts. So in order to keep that from happening we can mix in a little nickel or some other metals, but the more of those materials we put in, the softer the steel becomes.
Since the finer knives need to stay sharp longer they are “high carbon” stainless, which means they sacrifice a little rust resistance in order to hold an edge longer. The water in the dishwasher, especially combined with the agressive detergent, will attack and damage a high carbon blade. So unfortunatly the only way to get a knife which is impervious to the dishwasher is to buy a soft stainless steel that will dull quickly and never take a good edge.
So, basically many of the really cheap knives would probably be dishwasher safe – but I simply can’t recommend one because they are going to be such poor quality I just can’t pick the “best of the worst”. You should be able to find some at WalMart or Target that will work though.
Of course, I understand the desire to let a machine do all the cleanup work, but I think if your wife had one very good knife that required hand washing she would find herself turning to it repeatedly even if it takes a little more time to clean up.
Hope that helps,
John
Nick,
Wow, I’m surprised that you guys don’t at least have Henckels in AU. Wustof and Henckels are the biggest names in the cutlery industry on earth as far as I know… Sorry that I don’t know any of your local brands to recommend. :-)
With regards to Cutco. I am quite familar with them, and the outstanding feature of those knives is the marketing. From a technical standpoint they are worth little more than knives one could purchase at WalMart, hence the extremely high margin for the company and the entire MLM structure. They are marketed in such a way that they build a much higher perceived value.
However, you will never find them in use in a professional kitchen because they simply aren’t appropriate for sustained usage. Also, the first time you watch me slice through a 1.5″ thick steak in one pass with one of my Katana blades you’d instantly understand the difference.
Cheers,
John
Cutco has been proven to be the sharpest and longest lasting blade in the world among high quality kitchen cutlery. CATRA- a company that test the longevity, and sharpness out-of-the-box, has found that Cutco beats every 270 different blades tested, including calphlon, henkles, and many others. Machines dont lie…. men have opinions….. and that is exactly what you have. Cutco is not an MLM, and the prices are lower than most high quality knives. You should do research before you post blogs!
That is one of the dumbest things ever written in a comment on one of my blog articles.
Cutco is absolutely a MLM program. There is absolutely no refuting this whatsoever.
Finally, I’m a trained bladesmith. So unless you’ve actually forged and manufactured your own blades like I have, you are not qualified to contest my comments.
John P.
Your vitriol with regards to Cutco seems both misinformed and out of proportion.
First, if CATRA is such a worthless testing system, why do Henckels, Wusthof, and Calphalon–all some of your recommended brands–not to mention BUCK, and a large number of other blade manufacturers, why do they all employ the CATRA machine for testing?
Second, you mention your training as a bladesmith. Is it so vastly superior to the many other bladesmiths who endorse Cutco’s quality? Would not the measure of the blade be more suited to someone who actually uses the product? I have met countless people who have owned Cutco since it was first made in 1949, and still own and use their original product. If Cutco were not high quality, I sincerely doubt they would still use their original knives. Your logic, sir, seems off.
Third, if you are a bladesmith, you are clearly not a business major. MLM refers to a Multi-level marketing organization. Cutco is a direct selling organization. These are very different business models. You seem to imply a level of disrepute in your comments which is, frankly, unfounded, uninformed, and insulting. If you truly hold the conviction of these beliefs, you owe it to yourself to become more informed before attacking these “legions” of college students as being so ignorant.
Don’t waste your time selling shitty products. If you truly want to sell something good, go learn to sell Mercedes or something. Otherwise, go away and bother all your friends and family to sell them your crap. I don’t care.
John P.
I’m sure you do have a general understanding of business. Which is why you don’t understand teh specific difference between an mlm and direct sales. People who know don’t dress up their knowledge in curses, insults, and rhetoric. You are un-necessarily rude, and you don’t respond directly. Rather you speak like a politician. If thinking you are right is so important to you, rather than having a conversation, so be it. Have a nice life.
Your comments are ignorant. I am a college student, and i am the assistant manager of vector marketings alb office. you wanna test my set of knives against your shitty knives ill do it any day. first off cutco is high carbon surgical stainless steel. the double d edge is the best there is, shitty serrated edges are a joke and most straight edges require frequent sharpening. and for calling me ignorant about my product i say you are the ignorant one. do a little research. cutco is the best line of cutlery there is and doesnt cost 3000 for 5 knives… get over yourself
As I’ve stated in the past. Until you’ve physically forged a blade yourself, you are unqualified to contest my opinion.
There is no such thing as “high carbon surgical stainless steel”. Moron.
High carbon steel, like the steel a US Marine K-Bar is made from, has more than .5% of carbon in it. It is not allowed to contain more than 1.65% manganese, .6% silicon and .6% copper. That means that high-carbon steel contains greater than 95% Iron in it’s chemical composition. This steel makes for a long lasting, hard, sharp blade that you can rely on with your life. But it has to be cared for appropriately so as not to rust.
Stainless steel, like your crappy little cutco 90%-margin trash, contains a minimum of 11.5% chromium, and often upwards of 26%. Guess what, chromium is very, very soft! Ahhh, but it doesn’t rust… Now, let’s do some first grade math shall we?
So, unless you live in a world where you can fit 95% iron, .5% carbon and 11.5% chromium into the same piece of steel (total: 107%) – you aren’t getting “high carbon stainless”. Chump.
The reason “surgical” tools are made from stainless steel is because they only have to be used one time, then they are disposed of or professionally sharpened. Single use knives are not something to brag about.
So, how about this? Why don’t YOU do some research, talk to your chemistry professor, and get a college degree so you can support yourself with a real job. As for me, I’m shutting down the comments on this article because I’m way, way sick of you Cutco babies (and I’m sure all my other readers are too).
“Double D edge”? Ha! Snapperhead.
Love,
John P.
John,
Thanks for the reply to Mike’s posting. I’m the wife :) Your blog provided great information and you’re posting confirms what I’ve been trying to find out, which is that if you want a good knife, hand washing is the only option. My wishful thinking of good knives and a dishwasher doesn’t exist because of the way they are constructed. Sounds like the Katana knives will meet the rest of the requirements, minus the dishwasher. I really appreciate the information and the quick response. It was very helpful, informative and easy-to-read.
Thanks, again!
Jeanine
Thanks for the kind words Jeanine. I hope you love the knives, and if you do end up getting them please come back and let us all know what you think of them!
Take care,
John
John,
I agree with what your saying with the marketing ;)
The main cutlery that have me won over the most from Cutco is their flatware (everyday spoon,fold,knife) they are great. The smaller knives are good for the kitchen too like Petite Carver, Trimer & Pairing knives. The Chef knives aren’t the best though, don’t stay sharp long enough, pass it through the sharpener and its good to go. Even when its not sharp sharp its still better then any knife I have to use when visiting other people’s kitchens…
We have the Victorinox & some other one I can’t remember the name of that are suppose to be top dog here. It has been a few months since I’ve visited Knife World or the department stores, being in EU and all that fun travel stuff.
I’m a Cutco fan also. I purchased a set of knives from them about 6 years ago. I recently sent ALL of them back to the factory to have them sharpened and they were returned in pristine condition – they were extremely sharp! it only cost me $8 in shipping. My set included 8 steak knives plus all the other knives in the set. I think there are 7 others (I’m too lazy to go into the kitchen and count them). I am extremely happy with those knives.
I’ll buy Cutco knives at yard sales for a dollar or two, but it is insane to spend anywhere suggested retail for those knives.
I’ve been looking at the Kershaw Shun series, but the Katana set might just be better suited to my uses, and it is less expensive for the same number of knives.
Nice post!
Stumbled across this blog while searching for more info on the Katana knives. I purchased one from BBB a few months ago. Due to some conflict with a rude employee over the validity of the 20% coupon, the manager gave me a $20 gift card. Along with the 20% off coupon, I netted the 7″ Santoku for a sweet deal!
I wasn’t able to find many reviews on it, so I was still curious just how it stacked up to the big names like Henckels, Wustof, and Shun. Of course, I’ve had no issues with the blade at all, as it constantly surprises me with just how easy it cuts through things (making me constantly fear my finger ending up in place of the occasional steak). Not to mention that it’s -beautifully- designed. Very glad to see that even a Bladesmith recommends them as a personal favorite :)
Darrick,
Thanks for sharing that info. It’s good to see that I’m not the only fan. And it sounds like you ended up with a pretty good deal – though I’m sure you’d have been just as happy avoiding the hassle that netted you the gift certificate. ;-)
John
One consideration on putting any knife in a dishwasher – Having an edge tool, which is what a knife is, jumble around with other steel objects in a dishwasher will dull the edge prematurely. Like, badly. Being an old woodworker who was raised with a careful eye on how edge tools are used, stored, and handled, putting a good knife with a sharp edge in a dishwasher makes me shudder! One of the basic rules is that knife edge to any steel contact is to be avoided if at all possible.
Naturally, if razor sharp is less important than the convenience of throwing a knife anywhere, that’s your perogative and I certainly know plenty of people who have no interest or patience to learning how to make or keep a super sharp edge and, hey, they make it through preparing a meal just fine… Although, once a person has a truly fine knife, usually their care of the knife and expectations on how a knife should cut usually takes a completely new tact.
As to Cutco, WAY over priced in my books. If you like them, get a similar set from a cheap source and buy new ones when they get dull and be way ahead financially.
I LOVE my Kershaw Shun and Kyocera Ceramic knives. Both are extremely sharp and hold an edge well (especially the ceramic). Highly recommended!
Hi John!
I was finally able to round up about $400 to buy the Katana set plus two other knives to go with the set. I absolutely love them so far! I now feel like a need to take a class so I can actually use them properly, even though they’ve been very easy to use so far. It makes me wish I would have gotten them sooner. Thanks again for the recommendation and hopefully they’ll continue to work well for us.
Jeanine
Jeanine,
That is so awesome! I am really glad you are enjoying them. Be very careful since they are exceedingly sharp.
Also, one other thing. Remember that since these are a special kind of steel they will be more prone to rusting. So don’t ever leave them sitting around in the sink or in water in general.
Basically after you use them you need to wash them and put them up pretty quickly. They will last you a lifetime with proper care.
John
I have just purchased the whole set of Katana knives plus a few extra to fill the block. My question is, how the heck do you use that steel properly to keep them sharp as they were out of the box? Is that even possible? I have ran several of them on the steel at the recomended 22 degrees and it seems to change the edge. Don’t get me wrong, they are still very sharp, but they don’t pop hairs off my arm as they did right out of the box. Plus the edge is different now. Once polished, as the were out of the box, the steel ahs made the side of the edbe, the small angled part right before the actual edge, much more rough. Is this the way they should be? When I do get them professionally sharpened, should I have them done at the same 22 degree angle of lower, say 18 or 20? Thanks
Kirk
I have been researching knives for quite some time and just stumbled across your blog yesterday. I went right out and looked at Katana. I had not considered them before because they looked too unusual compared to the Henckel and Wustof that most of my friends have. Wow are Katana knives cool. Today I am going price shopping on ebay or back to Bed, Bath and Beyond with their 20% off coupon to buy them. My only concern is that the set comes with a 5″ santoku blade. I read somewhere in my searching not to bother with any santoku knife less than 7″ long. What are your thoughts about this?