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Posted on Mar 09, 2008 - 1:46am by John P. in Politics
Wow, this article got e-mailed to me and it’s so racy I just had to share it and see what kind of comments we’re going to get. This article has it all: War, bigotry, hatred, death… kind of reminds me of The Princess Bride, but without the “kissy” parts.
My favorite part of this rant:
Consider that, in all of Europe, no one under the age of 65 has picked up arms in defense of their country. That task has been borne by the United States since Hitler surrendered in 1945.
Originally published in The Brussels Journal, billed as “The voice of conservatism in Europe” (yeah, right), this article was written by Paul Belien a fairly radical thinking lawyer/PHd and journalist. Oh and he is the director of Islamist Watch, a project which combats the ideas and institutions of Islam in the United States and other Western countries. So I wouldn’t exactly call him an unbiased bystander.
The premise of the article is basically that Muslims are taking over Europe, and Europeans are too weak to do anything about it. So unless you want to die or submit you need to move the heck out!
The Rape of Europe
The German author, Henryk M. Broder, recently told the Dutch newspaper, DeVolkskrant, that young Europeans who love freedom, better emigrate. Europe, as we know it, will not exist twenty years from now.
While sitting on a terrace in Berlin, Broder pointed to the other customers and the passersby. ‘We are watching the world of yesterday.’
Europe is turning Muslim. As Broder is sixty years old, he is not going to emigrate. ‘I am too old,’ he said. However, he urged young people to get out and ‘move to Australia or New Zealand. That is the only option they have if they want to avoid the plagues that will turn the old continent uninhabitable.’
Many German and Dutch, apparently, did not wait for Broder’s advice. The number of emigrants leaving the Netherlands and Germany has already surpassed the number of immigrants moving in. One does not have to be prophetic to predict, like Henryk Broder, that Europe is becoming Islamic.
Just consider the demographics.
The number of Muslims in contemporary Europe is estimated to be 50 million. That is expected to double in twenty years.
By 2025, one third of All European children will be born to Muslim families. [Today Mohammed is already the most popular name for newborn boys in Brussels, Amsterdam, Rotterdam, and other major European cities.]
Broder is convinced that the Europeans are not willing to oppose Islamization. ‘The dominant ethos,’ he told DeVolkskrant, ‘is perfectly voiced by the stupid blonde woman author with whom I recently debated. She said that it is sometimes better to let yourself be raped than to risk serious injuries while resisting. She said it is sometimes better to avoid fighting than run the risk of death.’
In a recent op-ed piece in the Brussels newspaper, DeStandard, the (gay and self declared humanist) Dutch author, Oscar Van den Boogaard, refers to Broder’s interview. Van den Boogaard says that, to him, coping with the islamization of Europe is like ‘a process of mourning.’ He is overwhelmed by a ‘feeling of sadness.’
‘I am not a Warrior,’ he says. ‘But, who is? I have never learned to fight for my freedom. I was only good at enjoying it.’
Consider that, in all of Europe, no one under the age of 65 has picked up arms in defense of their country. That task has been borne by the United States since Hitler surrendered in 1945.
As Tom Bethell wrote, in this month’s American Spectator, ‘Just at the most basic level of demography, the secular humanist option is not working.’ But, there is more to it than the fact that non religious people tend not to have as many children as religious people. That’s because many of them prefer to enjoy freedom rather than renounce it for the sake of children.
‘Secularists, Bethell continues, ‘it seems to me, are also less keen on fighting. Since they do not believe in an afterlife, this life is the only thing they have to lose. Hence, they will rather accept submission than fight. Like the German feminist Broder referred to, they prefer to be raped than to resist.
‘If faith collapses, civilization goes with it. That is the real cause of the closing of civilization in Europe. Islamization is simply the consequence. The very word Islam means submission. The secularists have submitted already. Many Europeans have already become Muslims, though they do not realize it or do not want to admit it.
‘Some of the people I meet in the US are particularly worried about the rise of anti-Semitism in Europe . They are correct when they fear that anti-Semitism is also on the rise among nonimmigrant Europeans. The latter hate people with a fighting spirit. Contemporary anti-Semitism in Europe (at least when coming from native Europeans) is related to anti- Americanism.
‘People who are not prepared to resist and are eager to submit, hate others who do not want to submit and are prepared to fight. They hate them because they are afraid that the latter will endanger their lives as well. In their view everyone must submit.
‘This is why they have come to hate Israel and America so much. A small band of European Islamophobes, dare talk about what they see happening around them. West Europeans have to choose between submission (Islam), or death. I fear, like Broder, that they have chosen submission – just like in former days when they preferred to be Red rather than dead.
‘Europeans, apparently, never read John Stuart Mill. ‘War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing is worth a war, is worse.’
‘A man, who has nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance at being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.’
I’m especially interested to hear what our European and Muslim readers think about all that?
Very nicely brought out timely post. India has faced this problem (country got divided on religious grounds;creation of Pakistan and Bangladesh) and is still facing this problem. No religion should be spread by force.
Blimey, that is the sort of thread that opens a can of worms.
I am a 39 year old Englishman with fairly objective views but this did get my heckles up, particularly the comment “Consider that, in all of Europe, no one under the age of 65 has picked up arms in defense of their country. That task has been borne by the United States since Hitler surrendered in 1945.”
Does the author forget that our troops traveled half way around the World to engage the Argentinians in The Falklands, or that they are currently putting their lives on the line is Iraq and Afghanistan. Maybe that is not defense of our “country” in a strict geographic sense but we are more than willing to get involved. Whether we should is a separate argument that doesn’t belong in this post.
Our politicians and the “do gooders” seem proud to talk about the fact that have embraced social integration but that is not the message on the ground. Most of us are constrained from speaking out for the fear of being branded racists but there is an underlying feeling that the UK needs to get back to its roots and put a stop to immigration. We are a small Island nation and just can’t sustain the influx, not only from Muslims but Eastern Europeans too.
Only on Friday one of our most popular talk radio shows had a phone in titled something along the lines “Has the British white, working class family been forgotten”. That sparked a heated debate and I’m not so sure that we will sit by and watch things go to ruin in the manner the author suggests.
A German talking about invasions is the height of hypocrisy after all !
Steve,
For some reason this comment got held for moderation. Don’t worry, when you post a comment like this and it doesn’t show up immediately I’ll notice it and release it usually within a few hours. :-) I’m guessing that this happened because someone is reporting your Web site as spam to Akismet. I read your other post about it being your personal site, and that is why I’ve been allowing your comments – but I have to moderate out your URL because people will complain that it looks too spammy. If you could use another URL that is more of a personal nature it would be much appreciated.
Now, you’re right that this post opens a huge can of worms. That’s why I put it up. Every once in a while I like to hear people’s opinions on stuff like this and I figured this topic would generate some discussion.
Although I grant you that GB did participate in the Falkland Island’s skirmish in 1982, I’d hardly call that a war. There were a total of 258 British killed and 777 wounded and it was not actually declared a war on either side. As far as the Iraqi war is concerned, there have been almost 4,000 US soldiers killed and over 29,000 wounded vs. the UK’s 175 killed and 300 wounded. For the sake of comparison, the US population is 5 times greater than the UK, but US deaths are almost 23 times greater, and wounded are 100 times greater. Hardly equal participation.
Having said all that, we love the British. You guys are our number one ally, so don’t take my comments wrong. I’m just saying that there is quite a bit of truth to the statement that the US is the world’s policeman – even if the other comments are a load of crap. :-)
John
Thanks John, you can imagine I was at boiling point writing the post and then almost boiled over when it disappeared !
I only have one other site and that is along similar lines, you could say it is a hobby of mine. I guess I could try it and see if that is also reported as spam?
I am a UK citizen that now lives in New Zealand. I did not leave the UK due to influx of immigrant, Muslim, or otherwise. I left for better weather and less stress.
The bit about the US taking up the role of world defender since 1945 is full of holes since, as I remember, the Korean and Vietnam wars, which had nothing to do with defending ones own lands but that of another nation, had significant input from other nations. Wasn’t Korea a UN war?
Of course, the US has the largest army in the world so it does stand out a bit. Still a lot of other armies (from Europe) have got involved in fighting since 1945. The deployment of troops into the former Yugoslavia comes to mind.
As for the imminent overtaking of Europe by those whose faith is Muslim. I can see where this kind of fear is going and it isn’t going to a happy place.
A while back we interviewed a guy. He was British, loved living there but was worried about the death of English culture. He complimented me and a colleague on having the get up and go to leave. There was no _real_ English culture left anymore he said. The country was being over-run by immigrants.
The only thing is. All of those immigrants have a legal right to live there. It’s an EU law. Get used to it. If you don’t like it move somewhere else or change the law. Just stop whining about it.
He was a bigot. A polite one but a bigot all the same.
This rant against Muslims is exactly the same sort of thing.
Bigotry.
Most Muslims I have met are not extremists in the political sense. They are decent working people whose just happen to have a different view on the workings of the almighty and the various prophets that wandered around the middle east several centuries ago.
Most of them are just like you and me. For better or worse.
Gordon,
In Korea the US sent 480,000 troops. All other nations (not including South Korea) accounted for 134,500 – of which Britain accounted for 50%. In my book the UK gets full credit for participation in this war. However, you look at France with the same population as the UK and they contributed 3,400 troops vs. 63,000. Pretty pathetic… but perhaps it was because they were so decimated in WWII just a few years prior.
The UK did not participate in the war in Vietnam as far as I am aware.
The “war” in Yugoslavia was indeed a NATO mission.
I agree that the rant seems to be one full of bigotry and meant to incite fear. It reminds me of KKK hate speech. Although they are generally peace loving, normal people, the big question seems to be whether or not they can be incited into radical religious warfare?
John
Well after all what I read in this article I have to admit that there are many people considered as Muslims but they are not good people and they give bad image about Muslims and Islam.
But let us not forget that in every religion we have good people and bad people so the sound of the logic says that religion in this case is not accused or guilty coz of some people in it! Let me remind you with the KKK in U.S.A they used to kill the African American people in the name of Christianity but I still believe that Allah and Jesus don’t agree about that.
I don’t know why people include all Muslims in one group as savage people blood suckers and killers. We are not like this because of a basic and essential fact we have in our religion which is : to be a real Muslim you have to believe in all religions that Allah sent and believe in all holy books and the prophets that Allah sent to human being and any Muslim works opposite to that he isn’t a Muslim.
There is nothing wrong with Islam and don’t be afraid of it, on the contrary try to read about it and try to question everything coz it’s the key to success! We used to read about the western people as open minded people that negotiate and have discussion meetings, but i believe after September 11 everything has changed coz of Jews and Mr. Bush.
Thank you for your kindness and for reading my comment and please let people stop talking about Prophet Muhammad coz most of the western scholars approved in their books that Prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H is the No. 1 man in the world with his biography and his behavior and his mercy with all people. Thank you again.
Dear Usama,
You said: “please let people stop talking about Prophet Muhammad coz most of the western scholars approved in their books that Prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H is the No. 1 man in the world with his biography and his behavior and his mercy with all people”
1) Could you please give me only 10 scholars who said that?
2) Could you please illustrate to me how did you know that ALL of them said that?
3) What mercy you are talking about exactly? Is it the mercy that allowed him to occupy half the world by sword or the mercy that allowed him to stone (and killed) many women for relationships with men? Explain please
I am looking forward to hear from you.
Hm I’ve been reading recently a little more about Islam, and it seems to me that you say that Islam is good, but your Koran (or Quran) speaks for itself. And it says otherwise. Check out Suras 2:190-193, 4:76, 5:32-36, and so on. Seems to me that it’s pretty clear that there’s some violent overtimes (as in directing current Muslims to attack non-Muslims).
I’m a Christian, and while I admit that there are portions of the Bible where justice is enforced, the overall tone is also blatantly gracious and merciful. Christians who actually read the Bible do not have any ground to stand on for things like racism and murder.
I don’t really think that you know what Muslim is really about. When you say, “to be a real Muslim you have to believe in all religions that Allah sent and believe in all holy books and the prophets that Allah sent to human being” you are saying that Muslims accept everyone. Actually the opposite is true. Look at Sura 9:29 to see that Islam actually is constantly at war with the entire world of non-Muslims.
I’m curious whether you’ve actually read the bible.
Assuming you have, where is the graciousness and mercy in Genesis 19:7-8 where Lot allows his daughters to be raped?
Or how about Chapter 19 of Judges, where a priest allows his prostitute to be raped and murdered by a mob (in an effort to dissuade them from raping him).
Or what about where Abraham allows his wife Sarah to be part of the Pharaoh’s harem (Genesis 12), or where God, presumably as some kind of celestial joke, nearly made Abraham kill his own son Isaac?
Or how about where God told Moses to attack the Midianites, and Moses insisted that they not only kill the men, but also the women and children too (except the virgins, who the soldiers were permitted to keep as sexual slaves) – see Number 31:18.
I could go on, but instead I’d direct people to Chapter 7 of the excellent book “The God Delusion” by Richard Dawkins, in which he gives these and many more examples which make you wonder how anyone could reasonably consider the bible to be any kind of moral compass, its really more of a horror story.
Hi all,
A Muslim living in the gulf.
It is known to Shiite Muslims that Quraan is not self-explicable, and not every Muslim can or in a sense is allowed to explicate Quraan. In our religion there are three types of people (no difference between Muslims and Non-Muslims): god-chosen-scholars (prophets or related to prophecy in some way), seculars (in a way focused on life matters more than religious believes), and finally, knowledge seekers (who would try their best to reach the level of knowledge to get deliverance). Thus, it is inferable that only the first class is allowed to explicate and clarify Quraan verses (Suras), and the elite of Mullas take the narration of the prophet and his family as the basis with the help of which they can explicate.
Refer to Sura[3:7] He sent down to you (prophet Mohammad) this scripture, containing straightforward verses – which constitute the essence of the scripture – as well as multiple-meaning or allegorical verses. Those who harbor doubts in their hearts will pursue the multiple-meaning verses to create confusion, and to extricate a certain meaning. None knows the true meaning thereof except GOD and those well founded in knowledge. They say, “We believe in this – all of it comes from our Lord.” Only those who possess intelligence will take heed. End of sura.
Hence, please be advised that even true Arabic speaking Muslims cannot read Quraan and understand it right away, not to mention non-Arabic speaking ones, and absolutely the chance for Non-Arab-non-Muslim is far less than both.
Well, it is a rational issue after all, since only doctors can understand medical terminology and therefore can read and apply what’s there in medical books to treat patients. In fact if a regular non-educated person tries to apply what’s there in medical book without proper knowledge and practice could unintentionally kill a patient instead of treating him!
Now, with reference to the sura’s you mentioned:
[2:190] You may fight in the cause of GOD against those who attack you, but do not aggress. GOD does not love the aggressors. End of sura. Attention: ONLY THOSE WHO ATTACK YOU! What’s wrong with that? Only those who attack me I have the right to reciprocate to. Attention: DO NOT AGGRESS! Yes, do not exceed your right.
[2:191] You may kill those who wage war against you, and you may evict them whence they evicted you. End of sura.
Attention: THOSE WHO WAGE WAR AGAINST YOU!
[4:76] Those who believe are fighting for the cause of GOD, while those who disbelieve are fighting for the cause of tyranny. Therefore, you shall fight the devil’s allies; the devil’s power is nil. End of sura. This is valid and straight forward, one is -ultimately- either with GOD or with the devil, but cannot be on both sides.
[5:33] The just retribution for those who fight GOD and His messenger, and commit horrendous crimes, is to be killed, or crucified, or to have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or to be banished from the land. This is to humiliate them in this life, then they suffer a far worse retribution in the Hereafter. End of sura.
Attention: ONLY THOSE WHO FIGHT GOD, in certain unjust acts, sins, crimes, etc.
[9:29] You shall fight back against those who do not believe in GOD, nor in the Last Day, nor do they prohibit what GOD and His messenger have prohibited, nor do they abide by the religion of truth – among those who received the scripture – until they pay the due tax, willingly or unwillingly. End of sura.
Attention: TAX. Yes, if I was living and working in the UK, and the religion and laws of the country oblige me to pay certain taxes for being a non-Christian, I would pay it WILLINGLY OR UNWILLINGLY.
Note that this verse considers only those non-Muslims who live in a Muslim country.
So, let me get this straight. You will only kill me if:
Glad we got that all cleared up.
Now, let me just say that the fact that Islam and Christianity both condone killing under ANY circumstances means that you cannot hide behind a shroud of peace.
Now don’t get me wrong. I joined the Marine Corp because I was willing to kill anyone the government told me to. But that is all about politics and military superiority. So I will never, ever, ever believe in any religion that condones killing.
Killing is an evil born of mankind, perpetrated on mankind, and with no one but mankind to blame. If you believe in a God of retribution and wrath, I feel sorry for you.
John
When I chose to post a reply, I tried to cover all points that did not match my opinion, why is it then that you reply to only “selected” points in my post? Does that mean that you agree with all other points I mentioned? Or is it turning into a sarcastic discussion? “Cursing mothers and stuff” is irrelevant here, I’d prefer a mature dialogue. Why would you address me personally? Lets keep it in the passive form, it would be more neutral, more focused on the “thoughts” than on “persons.”
NO, a decent Muslim won’t even think of killing someone just because he yelled at him. Yes, yelling might ignite a quarrel. By common sense, if one punches me, I’d punch back, end of it! Why kill? Cursed? I would shush, why? Cause it’s better not to argue with a fool where a witness might not differentiate between him and me. Oh yeah, a punch might do here also!
Lets get one thing cleared even more, it’s not “me” who had it all planned, it’s a book we believe is from God. One more thing, refer to
[2:190] You may fight in the cause of GOD against those who attack you, but do not aggress. GOD does not love the aggressors. End of sura. Attention: ‘do not aggress’ the addressees here are Muslims, it is them whom Quraan is telling not to aggress, not to retaliate or reciprocate with what exceeds their right.
Plus, there is big difference between being aggressive only, and being aggressive with the intention to harm or kill. One can be aggressive to me but not up to the level where he intends to kill me, this case happens even between Muslims themselves, that is not what Quraan is addressing here, it is aggression with “kill” intentions.
many bad image addressed to muslim people in US and europe, but still in their country, who many open minded people change their believe and turn to be a muslim.
but in many developing country like my country in Indonesia, we leave peacefully, even church and mosque are stand side by side..
so the question is where the bad image of muslim come from?
because muslim and just like other religion always ask the followers to be a good people and peace full..
This anti-immigration paranoia over muslims is just the latest in a long line of paranoias about immigrants, be they Irish Protestant, Irish Catholic, Italian, African, or Jewish.
These days you don’t hear many people ranting about the corrupting influence of Irish Catholics in the US, as they once did. I don’t see any reason to think that it won’t be the same for muslims.
For fun, take a look at some of this 19th century anti-Irish propaganda, see if it looks familiar.
Exactly the point, only “gentiles” or “Infidels” would phrase the question about the undesireability of people of the Muslim faith. We have recent events to thank including the Demonization of all Muslims by certain Western powers. Maybe it is the christians that are the problem…
Or maybe religion is the problem…
not religion, but religious zealots, of any faith. Ironically, all three of the most war like faith based groups rise out of the same origins, moslem, Judiism, and Christianity. All have been struggling amongst one another for eons.
One of the Problems in Europe is that all the “Big Guys” want this multi-cultural Europe. What I saw 10-20 years ago in Germany was simply that not many want to have other cultures around.
So the basement want something different than the head of the country.
On top comes missing adjustment. Many people coming to Europe are not willing to adjust to that country they are moving to, respect the culture there or even learn the appropriate language. Building the own community and stick to it is something what causes problems anywhere in the world.
I live in the Philippines since seven years now and I had and still have to adjust myself to the local culture, religion and way of life.
My passport says I am catholic, but I actually don’t care about that as I don’t believe in 2000+ year old books.
Following blindfolded any religion and the “we-are-right-you-are-wrong” attitude caused enough troubles in the past…
I try to live my life with respect to other cultures and religions and basically don’t care with who I drink my cold beverage in the evening.
Amen and Cheers
Rhoody
In the modern world changes are happening at a pace that makes many afraid. I was born in England but my family were refugees from Holland. I now live in France, by choice and with love.
There are millions of people in Africa who look at the north of the world and see water and food. As their plight gets worse they will one day make the move in bulk to Europe – they are doing it in dribbles at the moment.
The worry about Muslims will be nothing then – we – the modern world allow much of the third world to live in hell. I know I have lived there. Many of the problems were created by the artificial countries made out of tribes that hated each other and ruled by the Europeans.
There have been faiths that were more warlike than those you mention. Ancient Egypt, Rome, Aztec and similar civilizations. They died out or were wiped out – Aztec by Spain, the whole island of Tasmania was ‘cleared’ of living beings. Faith had nothing to do with that.
Humanity is coming to an end – because like the other extinct animals, there are too many of them and they are ruining their eco-system.
I loved the quote ‘ maybe it is the christians that are the problem’. What sort of Christians, the main Catholic or Prodestant or all the other sects and subsects etc etc.
“If there was no God, man would have had to invent him” – has anyone thought that perhaps he did. I wonder what Odin or Zeus would have to say on that.
Hate breeds hate – it can never be good. We bring the end of the world – all of us, not just Muslims.
Different generations which where NOT brainwashed by leftists!
The help sent to the US was under pressure, NOT volunteered!!!
Islamophobe, yes!!! AND PROUD of it!!!
Jesus stopped a lynchmob by telling them “Who is without sin
cast the first stone”
And when a woman asked help from the prophet from hell, Mahomet-Baphomet,
the vile scumbag had her seized and stoned to death, the most hideous murder
in human history!!!
The only real muslims are the Jihadis, according to the book
of the neck sawyers…
NO PEACE ON EARTH UNTIL ALL ‘SLIMES ARE EXTERMINATED!!!
I am a Muslim & i have been taught to love Humanity.In Islam there is no space for hatred .
Saim, I believe you and I am sure most are, but some are not, that is the same in each religion, and not only there…
Example: all english (german, dutch) soccerfans are brutal hooligans because of a few idiots ???
cheers
Rhoody
Unfortunately, far too many of our football (soccer – pah) fans are indeed idiots here in the UK!
“Yurop”….It doesn’t count for much anymore, a stagnant economy, negligible armed forces, profound anal penetration by the rags…
The rest is, for rare exceptions, savagery on march toward total barbary. The Occident will soon have to defend itself
against a wave next to which Al Qaida will seem a pleasant joke of Scouts full of marshmallows.
There remain a technological capacity to conceive and produce defensive arms with a great power of extermination.
It will be necessary to tell the poor that they will stay poor, and it will have to be told firmly! By adding to the advice a few
targeted nuclear strikes(Teheran, Mecca…etc…)
Otherwise, we will all become DHIMMIS!!!
Of course, most here are already Dhimmis, not counting the numerous ragheads pretending to be white
and whose butthole shiver with impatience…
But their advice count as much as the braying of a camel
pushing the arm of a noria(water wheel) under the yellow desert moon.
Well you are right.These are people who have lost their way & are being exploited by others who use them for their own benefit.
My dear friends those who are with and against islam. first of all i would like to inform you that i’m a muslim, but never had i been instructed by my relgion to act against others except those who do fight us, on the contrary Prophet Mohammed had ordered us to accept Judism and christianity as a corner stone of islam. one of the suras of quran states that every body is free to believe in what ever wants as you have your relgion and i have mine.
Here in my home country egypt i have been raised with some of my best friends christians and still are, whether they do not believe in my relgion it is there free right.
Another thing i want to add is than when prophet mohmmed was nearing death he asked the the christians be well treated and thatwe erespect others.
i cant deny that there are islamic extreemist, but neither can u deny that there are in every sector. extreematism arises from brutality, if u lived here in the middle east and have seen the daily death tolls form the excessive use of force by the isreali forces against palastenian under the blinded eye of the UN for fear of being Anti semtic, u might see how people may react if the feel that they are targeted (its called fight or flight in medicine). I do excuse those who are agaisnst islam, because of the way islam has been bortrayed to them through ur western media. I have been living in the states and have i seen the media and how i delevers half truths. the media does tell u that an amercian soldierwas killed but does it tell that more than a hundred iraquies are killed daily. it does tell u that paliestians killed an isreali but does it show how many palistians were killed the day before or after, or are the palstines supid morans who willing tokill and be killed for the kind isrealis giving him flower.
The main ause of dispuit is generated by media which is providing half facts, Dear john as i see from the previos article that poeple have the right to be concerned when they see that others are going to take over there land. but havent u tried to see it from the palatinian point of view in which there land and country have dis appeared from the face of the earth over night, u seem to be an honest man think it over.
we all disagree with the brutality caused by the holocost, and this is living proof of creation extreemitism which lead to the foundation of the state of isreal.
I’m not good at writting or in expressing my though, but please let us nbe not pregidous and accept each other. please if you want to read about islam, aim at knowing what it is and not aming just to critisc it.
finally thanks for giving me the time
hosam
lecturer of neurosurgery
Now…….Let us just say that Europe is really becoming Islamic as the athor of that article suggusted……
Just exactly what is wrong with that? It’s just replacing countless different branches of Christianity with a relatively more united faith. If all of the Europe became Islam, soon Asia, Afrca, America will become Islamic, and then there will be no war since all mankind is now united under one single faith. Isn’t that good thing? Let’s all convert!
@hosam: Are these the same Palestinians that are continually trying to kill the citizens of Israel? You know, the ones that keep lobbing bombs into Israel? The ones that keep sending their children to blow themselves up in the hopes of killing yet more citizens of Israel?
Are these the Palestinians you refer to?
Sorry… but have you not seen what Israel did to Lebanon, and is doing to Lebanon again? I am married to a Moroccan and we have satelite access to more than just American media outlets, and if you saw some of the things that I have seen, you would have some serious doubts about what you have been told by your Wonderful Free Country the USA. The US media is so full of …. What would you do if your wife, or child, or mother was murdered while minding their own business by a weapon so greatly provided by another Countries government? When you don’t have such advanced weaponry you have to resort to any means necessary. I think that if you were really upset, and out of your mind with grief you would do the most drastic of things to retaliate. Things aren’t always as civilized as the US (and even that is questionable). You should never follow things so blindly… we should always question everything. If the government told you that the sky was green and not blue… would you believe that it was green? Don’t just assume that the Palestinians are the aggressors. Of course that being said I take my own advice and I don’t just assume that they are not. But… given the track record of Israel… I think I know where I stand. Of course this blogg was not really about Israel and Palestine… I got carried away, and I apologize.
Apologise???? and so you should!!!!
You know nothing of the history of the jewish people….
Hmm lets say that the whole of Europe became muslim, everyone would have to pay zakah (money due to the poor), hence no one would be starving, alcohol would not be permissible hence no more drinking and driving and stupid things being done under the influence, gambling would also be prohibited hence no more people messing up their lives. Murderers and rapers would be made to pay for their crimes with their lives and not by living off hardworking honest citizens taxes. Does this really sound so bad? Imagine if the whole world was like this…
Wait. Let me get this straight. I have to work very hard to earn money to give it away to poor people who don’t work? Then I can’t even have a beer when I’m watching a football game? And I can’t play a little blackjack with my friends for $20 even though I’m a responsible adult?
Oh, and I’m going to have to stop what I’m doing 5 times a day to pull out a rug and bow to the sun, my wife is going to have to cover her entire body with a black outfit, there will be no free speech, no porn, and generally no fun. But I’ll be rewarded after I’m dead?
Yes, that sounds like hell on earth. And I’d kill anyone that attempted to make me live by those rules. Literally.
Oh, and over here in Texas, we kill murderers and rapists, so you don’t have to be a Muslim to have justice. You just have to have balls.
Cheerio,
John P.
Cmon John P life is not just about money, booze, porn and gambling. Or is yours?
Oh and lets not get side tracked here, we talking about Islam and not the sun worshiping Japs.
Too bad the rest of the world’s not like texas.
chow.
There seems to be alot of bickering over whose religion is worse when frankly i find all of them to hypocritical…granted a thousand years ago we needed some form of control as well as an explanation for all those big scientific questions. i have met many smart aethiests and many dumb, narrow minded, religious people.
Personally i cant wait to emmigrate away from ‘Great’ Britain. It has become a slum and the only people who seem to enjoy living there are….
middle class people (because they are rich and can live away from diverse area’s)
liberal people (because anything is better that making a stand for your country…thats nationalist and that means racist! in their eyes)
and finally immigrants (because everything is free…there are a myriad of government/ council agencies that will give you everything you need in one way or another…dont worry about the language barrier because they provide interpertors and help leaflets in ALL known languages. indeed the first thing they get in their ‘welcome pack’ is information on what benefits they can claim.)
So because i am white, nationalist, english and proud…..because i served in the infantry for my country (*the same country that has held the bones of my ancestors for a thousand years!) because i have never commited a crime nor claimed a single benefit….i must leave.
Plato, Aristotle and Socrates would consider Britain a failing state and i do too…
Oh john- regarding combat losses…i have served in afghanistan and iraq and i find your term “Hardly equal participation” i little offensive? i lost 6 personal friends on my last tour in iraq??? the british army here in helmand province are doing some hard fighting in the taliban heartlands and you say we dont give as much effort??? the US marine corps is bigger than the entire british army! we dont have much in a sense of numbers but i disagree that we dont participate equally….im glad that the various american combat troops i have served with dont share your opinion and say that we are the best allies they have.
Oh as for the falklands war? i think if you were there or had some combat experience you would not brush it off as a mere skirmish?
Ouch!!! He sure got told.