as a Muslim it is very frustrating to keep seeing posts like this all the time, especially when you find them by accident (i came here to read about the password security post) and you see web sites with names suggesting they are teaching islam and turn out to be anti-islam and anti-muslim

I think it is bigotry but the actions of some Muslims and terrorists fuel that bigotry and give it more audience

As for Muslim immigration, it can be racism, bigotry, nationalism, many things, but it specially hurts when you hear things like “muslims breed like rabbits” as if we are a lower species because we believe in islam, i hope the Arab world improves in terms of education, freedom, justice, and economy so that at least the Muslims in europe and america would feel that they can immigrate here if they need so and still live a good life

Personally i cant wait to emmigrate away from ‘Great’ Britain. It has become a slum and the only people who seem to enjoy living there are….

middle class people (because they are rich and can live away from diverse area’s)

liberal people (because anything is better that making a stand for your country…thats nationalist and that means racist! in their eyes)

and finally immigrants (because everything is free…there are a myriad of government/ council agencies that will give you everything you need in one way or another…dont worry about the language barrier because they provide interpertors and help leaflets in ALL known languages. indeed the first thing they get in their ‘welcome pack’ is information on what benefits they can claim.)

So because i am white, nationalist, english and proud…..because i served in the infantry for my country (*the same country that has held the bones of my ancestors for a thousand years!) because i have never commited a crime nor claimed a single benefit….i must leave.
Plato, Aristotle and Socrates would consider Britain a failing state and i do too…

Oh john- regarding combat losses…i have served in afghanistan and iraq and i find your term “Hardly equal participation” i little offensive? i lost 6 personal friends on my last tour in iraq??? the british army here in helmand province are doing some hard fighting in the taliban heartlands and you say we dont give as much effort??? the US marine corps is bigger than the entire british army! we dont have much in a sense of numbers but i disagree that we dont participate equally….im glad that the various american combat troops i have served with dont share your opinion and say that we are the best allies they have.

Oh as for the falklands war? i think if you were there or had some combat experience you would not brush it off as a mere skirmish?

Oh and lets not get side tracked here, we talking about Islam and not the sun worshiping Japs.

Too bad the rest of the world’s not like texas.

chow.

Oh, and I’m going to have to stop what I’m doing 5 times a day to pull out a rug and bow to the sun, my wife is going to have to cover her entire body with a black outfit, there will be no free speech, no porn, and generally no fun. But I’ll be rewarded after I’m dead?

Yes, that sounds like hell on earth. And I’d kill anyone that attempted to make me live by those rules. Literally.

Oh, and over here in Texas, we kill murderers and rapists, so you don’t have to be a Muslim to have justice. You just have to have balls.

Cheerio,

John P.

f u lived here in the middle east and have seen the daily death tolls form the excessive use of force by the isreali forces against palastenian under the blinded eye of the UN for fear of being Anti semtic, u might see how people may react if the feel that they are targeted (its called fight or flight in medicine)

@hosam: Are these the same Palestinians that are continually trying to kill the citizens of Israel? You know, the ones that keep lobbing bombs into Israel? The ones that keep sending their children to blow themselves up in the hopes of killing yet more citizens of Israel?

Are these the Palestinians you refer to?

NO, a decent Muslim won’t even think of killing someone just because he yelled at him. Yes, yelling might ignite a quarrel. By common sense, if one punches me, I’d punch back, end of it! Why kill? Cursed? I would shush, why? Cause it’s better not to argue with a fool where a witness might not differentiate between him and me. Oh yeah, a punch might do here also!

Lets get one thing cleared even more, it’s not “me” who had it all planned, it’s a book we believe is from God. One more thing, refer to
[2:190] You may fight in the cause of GOD against those who attack you, but do not aggress. GOD does not love the aggressors. End of sura. Attention: ‘do not aggress’ the addressees here are Muslims, it is them whom Quraan is telling not to aggress, not to retaliate or reciprocate with what exceeds their right.

Plus, there is big difference between being aggressive only, and being aggressive with the intention to harm or kill. One can be aggressive to me but not up to the level where he intends to kill me, this case happens even between Muslims themselves, that is not what Quraan is addressing here, it is aggression with “kill” intentions.

• I am aggressive to you. Does that mean if I yell at you, you will kill me? How about if I punch you in the face? What if I curse your mother?
• If I’m not on God’s “side”. Clearly if I don’t believe in God then I would not be on his side, correct? This means I’m on the Devil’s side? Even though I don’t believe in him either? I mean, if I have to pick a side, and I don’t believe in either side – what do you do? Kill me anyway?
• Oh wait… sorry, you’ve got a special death planned for non-believers! If I don’t believe, I must die right off the bat!

Glad we got that all cleared up.

Now, let me just say that the fact that Islam and Christianity both condone killing under ANY circumstances means that you cannot hide behind a shroud of peace.

Now don’t get me wrong. I joined the Marine Corp because I was willing to kill anyone the government told me to. But that is all about politics and military superiority. So I will never, ever, ever believe in any religion that condones killing.

Killing is an evil born of mankind, perpetrated on mankind, and with no one but mankind to blame. If you believe in a God of retribution and wrath, I feel sorry for you.

John

It is known to Shiite Muslims that Quraan is not self-explicable, and not every Muslim can or in a sense is allowed to explicate Quraan. In our religion there are three types of people (no difference between Muslims and Non-Muslims): god-chosen-scholars (prophets or related to prophecy in some way), seculars (in a way focused on life matters more than religious believes), and finally, knowledge seekers (who would try their best to reach the level of knowledge to get deliverance). Thus, it is inferable that only the first class is allowed to explicate and clarify Quraan verses (Suras), and the elite of Mullas take the narration of the prophet and his family as the basis with the help of which they can explicate.

Refer to Sura[3:7] He sent down to you (prophet Mohammad) this scripture, containing straightforward verses – which constitute the essence of the scripture – as well as multiple-meaning or allegorical verses. Those who harbor doubts in their hearts will pursue the multiple-meaning verses to create confusion, and to extricate a certain meaning. None knows the true meaning thereof except GOD and those well founded in knowledge. They say, “We believe in this – all of it comes from our Lord.” Only those who possess intelligence will take heed. End of sura.

Hence, please be advised that even true Arabic speaking Muslims cannot read Quraan and understand it right away, not to mention non-Arabic speaking ones, and absolutely the chance for Non-Arab-non-Muslim is far less than both.

Well, it is a rational issue after all, since only doctors can understand medical terminology and therefore can read and apply what’s there in medical books to treat patients. In fact if a regular non-educated person tries to apply what’s there in medical book without proper knowledge and practice could unintentionally kill a patient instead of treating him!

Now, with reference to the sura’s you mentioned:
[2:190] You may fight in the cause of GOD against those who attack you, but do not aggress. GOD does not love the aggressors. End of sura. Attention: ONLY THOSE WHO ATTACK YOU! What’s wrong with that? Only those who attack me I have the right to reciprocate to. Attention: DO NOT AGGRESS! Yes, do not exceed your right.

[2:191] You may kill those who wage war against you, and you may evict them whence they evicted you. End of sura.
Attention: THOSE WHO WAGE WAR AGAINST YOU!

[4:76] Those who believe are fighting for the cause of GOD, while those who disbelieve are fighting for the cause of tyranny. Therefore, you shall fight the devil’s allies; the devil’s power is nil. End of sura. This is valid and straight forward, one is -ultimately- either with GOD or with the devil, but cannot be on both sides.

[5:33] The just retribution for those who fight GOD and His messenger, and commit horrendous crimes, is to be killed, or crucified, or to have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or to be banished from the land. This is to humiliate them in this life, then they suffer a far worse retribution in the Hereafter. End of sura.
Attention: ONLY THOSE WHO FIGHT GOD, in certain unjust acts, sins, crimes, etc.

[9:29] You shall fight back against those who do not believe in GOD, nor in the Last Day, nor do they prohibit what GOD and His messenger have prohibited, nor do they abide by the religion of truth – among those who received the scripture – until they pay the due tax, willingly or unwillingly. End of sura.
Attention: TAX. Yes, if I was living and working in the UK, and the religion and laws of the country oblige me to pay certain taxes for being a non-Christian, I would pay it WILLINGLY OR UNWILLINGLY.

Note that this verse considers only those non-Muslims who live in a Muslim country.

Just exactly what is wrong with that? It’s just replacing countless different branches of Christianity with a relatively more united faith. If all of the Europe became Islam, soon Asia, Afrca, America will become Islamic, and then there will be no war since all mankind is now united under one single faith. Isn’t that good thing? Let’s all convert!

Here in my home country egypt i have been raised with some of my best friends christians and still are, whether they do not believe in my relgion it is there free right.

Another thing i want to add is than when prophet mohmmed was nearing death he asked the the christians be well treated and thatwe erespect others.

i cant deny that there are islamic extreemist, but neither can u deny that there are in every sector. extreematism arises from brutality, if u lived here in the middle east and have seen the daily death tolls form the excessive use of force by the isreali forces against palastenian under the blinded eye of the UN for fear of being Anti semtic, u might see how people may react if the feel that they are targeted (its called fight or flight in medicine). I do excuse those who are agaisnst islam, because of the way islam has been bortrayed to them through ur western media. I have been living in the states and have i seen the media and how i delevers half truths. the media does tell u that an amercian soldierwas killed but does it tell that more than a hundred iraquies are killed daily. it does tell u that paliestians killed an isreali but does it show how many palistians were killed the day before or after, or are the palstines supid morans who willing tokill and be killed for the kind isrealis giving him flower.

The main ause of dispuit is generated by media which is providing half facts, Dear john as i see from the previos article that poeple have the right to be concerned when they see that others are going to take over there land. but havent u tried to see it from the palatinian point of view in which there land and country have dis appeared from the face of the earth over night, u seem to be an honest man think it over.

we all disagree with the brutality caused by the holocost, and this is living proof of creation extreemitism which lead to the foundation of the state of isreal.
I’m not good at writting or in expressing my though, but please let us nbe not pregidous and accept each other. please if you want to read about islam, aim at knowing what it is and not aming just to critisc it.

finally thanks for giving me the time

hosam
lecturer of neurosurgery

There remain a technological capacity to conceive and produce defensive arms with a great power of extermination.
It will be necessary to tell the poor that they will stay poor, and it will have to be told firmly! By adding to the advice a few
targeted nuclear strikes(Teheran, Mecca…etc…)
Otherwise, we will all become DHIMMIS!!!
Of course, most here are already Dhimmis, not counting the numerous ragheads pretending to be white
and whose butthole shiver with impatience…
But their advice count as much as the braying of a camel
pushing the arm of a noria(water wheel) under the yellow desert moon.

Example: all english (german, dutch) soccerfans are brutal hooligans because of a few idiots ???

cheers

Rhoody

Does the author forget that our troops traveled half way
around the World bla bla blah!

Different generations which where NOT brainwashed by leftists!
The help sent to the US was under pressure, NOT volunteered!!!

Islamophobe, yes!!! AND PROUD of it!!!

Jesus stopped a lynchmob by telling them “Who is without sin
cast the first stone”

And when a woman asked help from the prophet from hell, Mahomet-Baphomet,
the vile scumbag had her seized and stoned to death, the most hideous murder
in human history!!!

The only real muslims are the Jihadis, according to the book
of the neck sawyers…

NO PEACE ON EARTH UNTIL ALL ‘SLIMES ARE EXTERMINATED!!!