SEDO’s Domain Brokerage Service SCREWS Me!

by John P.

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Folks, I’m here to share a story with you that I can hardly believe occurred. It’s the story of a major violation of trust between myself and a company we hired to specifically represent us as the buyer’s broker in a purchase transaction. That company is SEDO, and this story is, well judge for yourself… but to me it’s unbelievable.

The story begins when I decided I wanted to obtain a domain, related to OneMansBlog.com, that was already taken and which I quickly determined was parked and had been registered at Sedo.

Sedo is a large, accredited top level domain registrar. So, I first did a quick search on their site to see if the domain was listed for sale, and when it wasn’t found I decided to check out their offer to “broker” the purchase for me.

Now, I thought about this for a minute and realized that if I were to approach the domain owner myself they would likely see that I own OneMansBlog.com and then be anxious to charge me extra for the related domain. So it sounded reasonable to enlist the assistance of a middleman in the process.

After reading all of Sedo’s documentation regarding rules and policies, I ultimately decided to give it a shot. We created an account and filled out the form to get them started. As part of this form, Sedo asked for the MAXIMUM amount that we were willing to bid. At first this made me very nervous, but they provide a link right there on the page that offers the following explanation:

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Question

What is an investment limit?

Answer

When you apply for Sedo’s buyer-side brokerage service, you will be asked to enter your investment limit for purchasing the domain. Your maximum investment limit is the highest price you would be willing to offer for the domain. This information is confidential, and will not be disclosed to the domain owner. As always, your broker will begin negotiations at a fraction of your investment limit and will work to acquire the domain at a fair and reasonable price.

If your application is approved, your broker will use your investment limit to determine a strategy for negotiations.

So after reading that, I was reminded of eBay, where I often put in a maximum price and have never felt cheated. I figured that I would go ahead and give them some latitude, and instead of the minimum bid of $500, I went ahead and upped their limit to $1,000. This was because I trusted them to do the right thing.

Now, according to Sedo’s Domain Brokerage Service Terms and Conditions, the first step after acceptance into the brokerage program was as follows:

2.1.2.3. Assignment of Domain Broker

Upon the successful application to the Buyer Brokerage Service, you will be assigned a domain broker in accordance with the approximate value of the domain you wish to acquire. Your domain broker will then seek to establish contact with you through the contact information you have provided in your Sedo user account and shall explain the domain brokerage process and a schedule for providing updates on the course of negotiation.

So our expectation was that, within a couple of days, we’d have a little e-mail or phone chat with the person who was going to be “negotiating” on our behalf, after which time that person would begin to attempt contact with the domain owner to open a dialog and see if we could acquire the domain.

Imagine our surprise when the very first response we received after our automated sign up e-mails was as follows (personal information hidden, obviously):

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From: XXXXX XXXXX
Date: Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 5:25 PM
Subject: Brokerage request for XXXXXXXXXXX.com
To: XXXXX XXXXX

Hello,

A client of mine is interested in this domain and is prepared to offer you $1,000 for it.

Please let me know if you would like to accept their offer.

Thank you for your time. I look forward to your response.

To reply to this message please visit the Brokerage Status page: https://www.sedo.com/member/brokerage/status.php?XXXXXXXXXXXXX

Best regards,

XXXXX XXXXX
Domain Broker

Sedo.com, LLC
tel +1 ( 617) 499 – XXXX • fax +1 ( 617) 499 – XXXX
http://www.sedo.com • mailto:XXXXXXXXXX@sedo.com
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Now, I don’t know how that strikes you, but even if we forgive the fact that our “broker” skipped the formality of getting in contact with us and setting our expectations, I still see two glaring issues:

  1. He sent the e-mail to us, not the domain owner. Presumably this was just an error (a really, really bad one).
  2. There was absolutely no “negotiation” taking place on our behalf. Despite the promise to, “…begin negotiations at a fraction of your investment limit….”

I mean, why in the world would we “Hire an experienced Sedo broker to negotiate an acquisition…“, if all that really means is “we’ll send an e-mail on your behalf with your maximum offer to the domain owner”?

Keep in mind that they charged us $69.00 the minute they accepted us as clients, and that there was going to be a 10% commission fee on the final negotiated price.

Now if that commission fee bothers you, as it did me initially, remember the previous promises they made. And remember that this is a large, well known domain registrar. Besides all of that, as far as I’m concerned, the terms I agreed to with Sedo created a Fiduciary Responsibility on their part. What is that?

In a fiduciary relation one person justifiably reposes confidence, good faith, reliance and trust in another whose aid, advice or protection is sought in some matter. In such a relation good conscience requires one to act at all times for the sole benefit and interests of another, with loyalty to those interests.

Now the question is, what should I do about this entire affair? Feel free to share your opinions, and I’ll follow up with another post later as the story unfolds…


{ 66 comments… read them below or add one }

1 Mark Jaquith March 27, 2009 at 1:45 am

Wow. You should demand your money back, and a full explanation. It’s possible that this is just a rogue agent acting unethically, but in any case, it’s utterly unacceptable. You’re lucky they made the mistake — else you could have been screwed without ever knowing it.

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2 Mattb4rd March 27, 2009 at 7:56 am

Mr. P,

I would definitely let them know that you intend file a formal complaint against a professional fiduciary with the appropriate regulators in your state. I would also have my personal attorney compose and send a letter notifying them of his client’s intention to pursue reimbursement for damages and punitive actions within the limits of the law, but in the interest of avoiding that, he has informed me that he will accept a settlement in the amount of $XXXX.XX, which includes my fee and his lost time and wages incurred as a result of having to deal with this troubling situation.

Mattb4rd

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3 Hrafn Th. March 27, 2009 at 8:38 am

Ouch. That sucks. Are you sure they didn’t send the email to the domain owner as well?

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4 Kai Lo March 27, 2009 at 9:03 am

The agent is doing a terrible job. I wouldn’t recommend anyone to use that company. Seems like the agent cares more about the commission than to help you.

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5 Greg Lewis March 27, 2009 at 11:22 am

I’d make them give me the domain for free.

If they refuse, then threaten to take them to the attorney general’s office. Since they get a commision on the final price, its in their best interest to use the maximum, which they did…problem is that they state “As always, your broker will begin negotiations at a fraction of your investment limit and will work to acquire the domain at a fair and reasonable price.”

They are clearly breaking the law…and you have the evidence to prove it.

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6 huh uh, i don't think so November 24, 2010 at 7:24 pm

“I‘d make them give me the domain for free.”

Uh, excuse me? That domain is owned by an actual person and parked on Sedo, not owned by Sedo. Sedo cannot give away property that belongs to someone else.

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7 Ziggy March 27, 2009 at 3:45 pm

Wow, that sucks,John.

I would:

1) Cancel all transactions with SEDO and request your money back. They breached their agreement with you and, thus, forfeited their chance to continue a business relationship with you.

2) Check out GoDaddy (http://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/broker/landing.asp?ci=8995) and try them out. I had a successful transaction with them on the one domain name I wanted. My max was $500 and they got it for me for $175. Smooth transactions all the way.

However, the owner of the domain that you are trying to get might have recieved an email as well and now know you are interested which might have just boosted the price.

I could always request a price for you as well if you like. No one knows me. :-(

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8 John P. March 27, 2009 at 4:09 pm

You’re right Mark. And what really bothers me is… how many times, and for how long, have they been doing this to other people? And only now a mistaken e-mail gives us all a glimpse into the practice…

John P.

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9 John P. March 27, 2009 at 4:11 pm

I can’t be sure, but I think the “Broker” is still under the impression that he sent it to the right address and just hasn’t gotten a response. I’m still trying to determine how in the heck to go about responding and escalating the issue. It’s a pretty big company so how do you find the person to appeal to?

Perhaps the right person is actually not in the company at all… but is the Attorney General of the State of Mass, or Texas. And maybe the Better Business Bureau.

John P.

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10 John P. March 27, 2009 at 4:12 pm

Greg,

Maybe your dad should take on the case for me and sue them back to the stone ages. ;-)

John

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11 Greg March 28, 2009 at 12:28 am

Where is the company based, if its NY he sure can.

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12 D.Pixel March 28, 2009 at 1:17 pm

John

It sounds like Darwinism to me… except that you were on the wrong end of the gun… but hey dude, it’s just money not your life right? Good luck with getting justice.

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13 Gerard March 30, 2009 at 8:22 pm

That is a disgrace. They go on about how they will negotiate a fair and reasonable deal for you and then bang first email out gives away what the max is. This is very bad service especially for such a high profile site as sedo. Still the story being placed on a highly influential blog like this as well as being Digged etc by your readers should let people know who exactly they are getting into bed with. I think sedo hasd one eye on the commisioon from your sale. The higher the sale the more they will get from you

not good

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14 Minnesota Attorney April 1, 2009 at 7:37 am

This appears to be a breach of contract and a breach of the fiduciary duties that an agent (Sedo) owes to a principal (you). Although legal action is an option, hopefully Sedo will resolve it without legal action being necessary.

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15 kaka April 10, 2009 at 1:34 am

I never success with sedo although my domain are wuite good one. I believe developing it will be much much better.

In your case, they show you how “not really” experienced they are.

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16 Bonnie April 26, 2009 at 2:13 pm

So sorry about there unethical practices. I would formally open up a compalint with the BBB in their town. Also, write to them with a complaint and how you expect for it to be resolved. I really don’t think that a company that large is involved in what one employees has tried to get away with. In that case, give them an opportunity to fix the problem. If you have an incidence where this has occurred on multiple occassions, then we all have an axe to grind. Good luck with your continued efforts. I think that this once incidence has some what hurt their national creditbility.

Bonnie, Atlanta

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17 Mel June 17, 2009 at 4:50 pm

How did all this end up for you? I would be very interested as I am in the process of using their services as well.

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18 chandan August 15, 2009 at 10:25 am

they not only scam like this they also terminate the parking accounts and swallow the earned money from parked domain owners

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19 Richard Alcorn August 31, 2009 at 6:27 pm

Over the years, I’ve purchased several domains using various brokers, including SEDO. Usually, they are pretty professional, albeit often much slower than other companies. Clearly, in this case, they dropped the ball. What I would do is to contact support and outline the problem and demand a refund. They obviously didn’t complete their side of the bargain. That said, SEDO has performed very well for me and for clients that are purchasing from me in the past. I could give you numerous examples of times that they have managed to acquire a domain for me at less than half of the maximum I’ve listed. However, I could also tell you that there have been many times when the offer has been very close to or exactly what my max is… Which I’m now thinking is pretty fishy, lol. Actually, what I’ve found with SEDO, Afternic, Godaddy and all the others is that the best way to do it is to offer a pretty small amount at first. I usually start with around a 100.00 offer and wait for a counter offer. Yes; it is more trouble, but I’ve bought names that I was willing to pay 2500+ for 200-300. I’ve even had the first offer taken several times. What you need to keep in mind is how important the domain is to you; if you believe it has the potential to add 50.00/mo in revenue or more, then I would keep trying to buy the domain, even if you have to up the offer a small amount. Otherwise, hold off and make an offer later on for a smaller amount.

Of course, you may very well have already solved this dilemma, as I just noticed that it has been months since you wrote this blog.. sorry about that, lol.

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20 Betty Bowen September 13, 2009 at 6:47 pm

I am so glad I found this information. I used Sedo several months ago when I was looking at parking domains. My domains were listed with Go-Daddy and It looked as if Sedo was bigger & “better”. I only put a couple of domains in an account for parking or so I thought. Within a few days, I received an email from someone who offered me money for one of the domain names…I did not have them for sale and had not had them appraised. This buyer suggested that I have them appraised because that is the only way he did business..
I did have them appraised but thought something is not right here.. I sent them an email. to find out what had happened to my account and they sent me this email that made me think they were upset that I HAD VIOLATED their rules.. and my account was no longer in SEDO.. Now why would I go back and think about doing any type of business with them again? Thank you for posting this….
I think none of the companies that buy & sell domains can be trusted.
Several months back when a few domains were bringing high prices , I went in Go-Daddy to buy more names…. Everything that I put in their account had already been bought with the dot com but others were available… I had the feeling that they were taking the names I put in…..who knows….
Thanks again….
Betty Bowen

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21 france January 1, 2010 at 4:55 am

this is one of the BS brokerage i ever saw

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22 Meongtae January 11, 2010 at 5:30 pm

I dont think its believeable at all. You not only went about everything wrong from the start, you went out of your way to make it difficult. I do believe you may have been CC’d, unless of course, you bid on your own name.
Which, according to your letter, is seemingly very possible.
Dozens of flawless transactions in all types of buying and selling, I have had nothing but top notch from sedo.
the TOS spells out all the other things that the other posters listed.
All of it could have been avoided.

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23 John P. January 12, 2010 at 1:14 am

What was it that I was going to say? Hmmm… Oh yeah! FUCK YOU!

Whoever wrote this has GOT to be with Sedo. Because why in the world would anyone even come to this post, 8 months after it was written, and stick up for Sedo? Much less call me a liar, when I have absolutely ZERO incentive to make something like this up. PLUS, I’ve got the actual email evidence to prove what happened as well as their admission of their “error” in case anyone would like to go to court (I would!).

Just goes to show what we’re dealing with here.

Love,
John P.

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24 Oskars Rumpeters January 12, 2010 at 2:22 am

So did you do anything? I presume not, if you haven’t updated the story? I would love to see what would be Sedo’s reaction if presented with email evidence…

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25 Fuss Marios January 12, 2010 at 11:26 am

The have a really crappy service

I wouldnt use them for investing as they try to get the most money out of you
500$ will get them only $50 commission plus the charge

So $1000 will double their cash with no effort

I would stick to standard fee negotiation companies like godaddy etc

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26 Gjore January 30, 2010 at 9:09 am

The very same thing happened to me, me and my friend were testing to see how this brokerage service works.

Feel free to blame me that we were only testing and sharing the emails we receive, sedo still didn’t know that we were friends and we read what they sent us. They did exactly as above, sent my friend an offer with the maximum amount set by me.

I’m sure they don’t do this to everyone and every time, but they still do it!

I don’t have a top-ranked blog so I couldn’t post this anywhere, but I’m very happy to see someone did it!

I would also love to see how this all ended up

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