Folks, I’m neither a Democrat, nor a Republican. But my mom asked me to give her an unbiased, factual rundown on the political platforms – so what my mother wants, my mother gets! Here you go Mom…
I’m making the presumption that the two candidates who are going to actually be running for President are Barack Obama, and John McCain. So, below I’ve taken the liberty of narrowing down all the data to these two guys. What you need to do is line up as many of your political ideal matches and then you can rationally choose who you are voting for.
Here are the candidates views on a variety of issues:
| Issue |  Barack Obama |  John McCain |
|---|---|---|
| Abortion is a woman’s right | Strongly Favors | Opposes |
| Require hiring more women & minorities | Strongly Favors | Favors |
| Same-sex domestic partnership benefits | Strongly Favors | Favors |
| Teacher-led prayer in public schools | Opposes | Favors |
| Death Penalty | Opposes | Strongly Favors |
| Mandatory Three Strikes sentencing laws | Opposes | Strongly Favors |
| Absolute right to gun ownership | Strongly Opposes | Strongly Favors |
| More federal funding for health coverage | Favors | Favors |
| Privatize Social Security | Strongly Opposes | Strongly Favors |
| Parents choose schools via vouchers | No opinion | Strongly Favors |
| Replace coal & oil with alternatives | Strongly Favors | Favors |
| Drug use is immoral: enforce laws against it | Opposes | Strongly Favors |
| Allow churches to provide welfare services | Favors | Strongly Favors |
| Repeal tax cuts on wealthy | Strongly Favors | Opposes |
| Illegal immigrants earn citizenship | Strongly Favors | Favors |
| Support & expand free trade | Opposes | Strongly Favors |
| Expand the armed forces | Favors | Favors |
| Stricter limits on political campaign funds | Strongly Favors | Strongly Favors |
| The Patriot Act harms civil liberties | Strongly Favors | Strongly Opposes |
| US out of Iraq | Favors | Strongly Opposes |
There are independent organizations that rate the candidates based upon their voting records. The candidates have to have enough votes in a particular area to actually get rated, but here are the ones I’m aware of:
| Ratings | Barack Obama | John McCain |
|---|---|---|
| HRC rating (Gay Rights) | 89% | 33% |
| ACLU rating (Civil Rights) | 0% | |
| NAACP Rating (Affirmative Action) | 100% | 7% |
| NCJA rating (Criminal Justice) | 75% | 85% |
| NEA rating (Public Education) | 45% | |
| CAF rating (Energy Independence) | 100% | 17% |
| LCV rating (Environment) | 53% | |
| Christian Coalition rating (Pro-family) | 83% | |
| APHA rating (Health Care) | 25% | |
| USBC rating (Close Borders) | 8% | 18% |
| AU record (Church-State Separation) | 100% | 33% |
| CTJ rating (Progressive Taxation) | 100% | 50% |
Barack Obama is a Hard-Core Liberal.
John McCain is a Populist-Leaning Conservative.
All of the data here has come from a direct comparison of records as reported by OnTheIssues.org. Here is John McCain’s page, and Barack Obama’s.
They also have a VoteMatch quiz you can take which tells you which candidate you most closely match up with philosophically. Interestingly, I had a 48% match with Obama and a 30% match with McCain.
one may consider all you left wing liberals idiots, you must also agree with church and state separation, yet probably sit in service on Sunday morning, Ask GOD if this is alright?
Alan,
Awesome contribution considering the current ‘state’ of religious affairs within your fair country :O) Always wondered what difference these leaders really made while hoping for democratic justice.
Especially as a female who was only recently even allowed to vote. I do my part to do so in an informed fashion thanking those who made this right a possibility for me – no thanks to the church whatsoever!!
Personally, I think the government should stay out of it. Abortion is an effective method of ending a unhealthy or unwanted pregnancy (Rape, Molestation, etc). I fear the reprocussions of banning legal and safe abortions far outway the current “side effects”. Personally, I wish everyone was born steril and had to have surgery in order to have children. Could you imagine a world where only responsible adults had children?
Bill, Had to say something – I thought that I was the only one that felt this way . forget about marriage licences – pointless and unnecessary .. lol!! I just always thought that deciding who was ‘responsible’ enough to become sterile would become problematic ;o(
I am sixteen my girl friend is about to have are kid i would not kill a baby because of what i have done to a girl what if your mom killed you when you were inside her you would not be here
Yeah, but if you were never here, you would never have been able to even be upset about it. You would have no remembrance of it.
You are not doing it to your body you are doing it to a baby what if your parents had one when you were a kid you would not be here
Ok. I see both point of view but here it comes from a girl WHO HAD AN ABORTION 4 months ago. I’m major in Sociology and hopefully soon upcoming Social Worker. I believe I have the right to do what ever I want with my body, People will always judge me for killing a life but there is no one who can be harder on me THEN myself!, I know all of us as humans should take responsibility for our own actions but what do you think is better bring a baby into the world knowing you have nothing to offer or progress in life, build a form of living for a baby who won’t be out in the streets homeless, hungry and neglected? EVERYONE is entitle to their own opinion but before saying anything that might hurt or offend some one who made the best decision for them SELVES… think and stop judging.
There is no excuse anyone can have for not being able to provide for a child, go to school, get a job and work long hours. Do you see how many people make it work, the people that don’t make it work don’t try or care. Also if you really can’t make it at least have the baby and give it up for adoption. I think the only reasons a baby should ever be KILLED would be if the pregnancy was expected to be fatal for the mother.
Sorry Megan,
Though I have seen people ‘trying’ to ‘make it work’ the end result is more often than not: unprepared parents raising equally unprepared children. The people that are given the choice prevent themselves and their children from potentially becoming dysfunctional burdens on society …
Pregnancy can be ‘fatal’ on so many different levels. I appreciate that adoption should be considered an option, but can imagine that raising a child ‘within us’ without support (and the repercussions) are just as difficult as raising one alone after it is born, after which the despair concerning what cannot be provided must be immense.
Just the observations of one individual living in what I consider to be ‘the projects’ from wherein I draw these conclusions.
Annie, Obama is democrat- McCain id republican!
I think that Obama is not for helping our country. He doesn’t believe in school religion or much of religion which is what we need!
yeah pretty much not what its saying lol if you are closeminded to believe exactly what you read and how you read it, you deserve to think obama wants to kill babies : )
Sorry Doug and Robert, but David is right on this. But here some documented facts.
Events that solely occurred on command of church authorities or were committed in the name of Christianity. (List incomplete)
Ancient Pagans
*As soon as Christianity was legal (315), more and more pagan temples
were destroyed by Christian mob. Pagan priests were killed.
*Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain.
*Examples of destroyed Temples the Sanctuary of Aesculap in Aegaea,
the Temple of Aphrodite in Golgatha, Aphaka in Lebanon, the
Heliopolis.
*Christian priests such as Mark of Arethusa or Cyrill of Heliopolis
were famous as “temple destroyer.” [DA468] *Pagan services became
punishable by death in 356. [DA468]
*Christian Emperor Theodosius (408-450) even had children executed,
because they had been playing with remains of pagan statues. [DA469]
According to Christian chroniclers he “followed meticulously all
Christian teachings…”
*In 6th century pagans were declared void of all rights.
*In the early fourth century the philosopher Sopatros was executed on
demand of Christian authorities. [DA466]
*The world famous female philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to
pieces with glass fragments by a hysterical Christian mob led by a
Christian minister named Peter, in a church, in 415.
Mission
*Emperor Karl (Charlemagne) in 782 had 4500 Saxons, unwilling to
convert to Christianity, beheaded. [DO30]
*Peasants of Steding (Germany) unwilling to pay suffocating church
taxes between 5,000 and 11,000 men, women and children slain
5/27/1234 near Altenesch/Germany. [WW223]
*Battle of Belgrad 1456 80,000 Turks slaughtered. [DO235]
*15th century Poland 1019 churches and 17987 villages plundered by
Knights of the Order. Victims unknown. [DO30]
*16th and 17th century Ireland. English troops “pacified and
civilized” Ireland, where only Gaelic “wild Irish”, “unreasonable
beasts lived without any knowledge of God or good manners, in common
of their goods, cattle, women, children and every other thing.” One of
the more successful soldiers, a certain Humphrey Gilbert, half-brother
of Sir Walter Raleigh, ordered that “the heddes of all those (of what
sort soever thei were) which were killed in the daie, should be cutte
off from their bodies… and should bee laied on the ground by eche
side of the waie”, which effort to civilize the Irish indeed caused
“greate terrour to the people when thei sawe the heddes of their dedde
fathers, brothers, children, kinsfolke, and freinds on the grounde”.
Tens of thousands of Gaelic Irish fell victim to the carnage. [SH99,
225]
Crusades (1095-1291)
*First Crusade 1095 on command of pope Urban II. [WW11-41]
*Semlin/Hungary 6/24/96 thousands slain. Wieselburg/Hungary 6/12/96
thousands. [WW23] *9/9/96-9/26/96 Nikaia, Xerigordon (then turkish),
thousands respectively. [WW25-27]
*Until Jan 1098 a total of 40 capital cities and 200 castles conquered
(number of slain unknown) [WW30]
*After 6/3/98 Antiochia (then turkish) conquered, between 10,000 and
60,000 slain. 6/28/98 100,000 Turks (incl. women & children) killed.
[WW32-35]
Here the Christians “did no other harm to the women found in [the
enemy’s] tents – save that they ran their lances through their
bellies,” according to Christian chronicler Fulcher of Chartres.
[EC60]
*Marra (Maraat an-numan) 12/11/98 thousands killed. Because of the
subsequent famine “the already stinking corpses of the enemies were
eaten by the Christians” said chronicler Albert Aquensis. [WW36]
*Jerusalem conquered 7/15/1099 more than 60,000 victims (jewish,
muslim, men, women, children). [WW37-40]
(In the words of one witness “there [in front of Solomon’s temple]
was such a carnage that our people were wading ankle-deep in the blood
of our foes”, and after that “happily and crying for joy our people
marched to our Saviour’s tomb, to honour it and to pay off our debt of
gratitude”)
*The Archbishop of Tyre, eye-witness, wrote “It was impossible to
look upon the vast numbers of the slain without horror; everywhere lay
fragments of human bodies, and the very ground was covered with the
blood of the slain. It was not alone the spectacle of headless bodies
and mutilated limbs strewn in all directions that roused the horror of
all who looked upon them. Still more dreadful was it to gaze upon the
victors themselves, dripping with blood from head to foot, an ominous
sight which brought terror to all who met them. It is reported that
within the Temple enclosure alone about ten thousand infidels
perished.” [TG79]
*Christian chronicler Eckehard of Aura noted that “even the following
summer in all of palestine the air was polluted by the stench of
decomposition”. One million victims of the first crusade alone. [WW41]
*Battle of Askalon, 8/12/1099. 200,000 heathens slaughtered “in the
name of Our Lord Jesus Christ”. [WW45]
*Fourth crusade 4/12/1204 Constantinople sacked, number of victims
unknown, numerous thousands, many of them Christian. [WW141-148]
*Rest of Crusades in less detail until the fall of Akkon 1291
probably 20 million victims (in the Holy land and Arab/Turkish areas
alone). [WW224]
Note All figures according to contemporary (Christian) chroniclers.
Heretics
*Already in 385 C.E. the first Christians, the Spanish Priscillianus
and six followers, were beheaded for heresy in Trier/Germany [DO26]
*Manichaean heresy a crypto-Christian sect decent enough to practice
birth control (and thus not as irresponsible as faithful Catholics)
was exterminated in huge campaigns all over the Roman empire between
372 C.E. and 444 C.E. Numerous thousands of victims. [NC]
*Albigensians the first Crusade intended to slay other Christians.
[DO29]
The Albigensians (cathars = Christians allegedly that have all rarely
sucked) viewed themselves as good Christians, but would not accept
roman Catholic rule, and taxes, and prohibition of birth control. [NC]
Begin of violence on command of pope Innocent III (greatest single
pre-nazi mass murderer) in 1209. Beziérs (today France) 7/22/1209
destroyed, all the inhabitants were slaughtered. Victims (including
Catholics refusing to turn over their heretic neighbours and friends)
20,000-70,000. [WW179-181]
*Carcassonne 8/15/1209, thousands slain. Other cities followed.
[WW181]
*subsequent 20 years of war until nearly all Cathars (probably half
the population of the Languedoc, today southern France) were
exterminated. [WW183]
*After the war ended (1229) the Inquisition was founded 1232 to search
and destroy surviving/hiding heretics. Last Cathars burned at the
stake 1324. [WW183] *Estimated one million victims (cathar heresy
alone), [WW183]
*Other heresies Waldensians, Paulikians, Runcarians, Josephites, and
many others. Most of these sects exterminated, (I believe some
Waldensians live today, yet they had to endure 600 years of
persecution) I estimate at least hundred thousand victims (including
the Spanish inquisition but excluding victims in the New World).
*Spanish Inquisitor Torquemada alone allegedly responsible for 10,220
burnings. [DO28]
*John Huss, a critic of papal infallibility and indulgences, was
burned at the stake in 1415. [LI475-522]
*University professor B.Hubmaier burned at the stake 1538 in Vienna.
[DO59]
*Giordano Bruno, Dominican monk, after having been incarcerated for
seven years, was burned at the stake for heresy on the Campo dei Fiori
(Rome) on 2/17/1600.
Witches
*from the beginning of Christianity to 1484 probably more than several
thousand.
*in the era of witch hunting (1484-1750) according to modern scholars
several hundred thousand (about 80% female) burned at the stake or
hanged. [WV]
*incomplete list of documented cases
The Burning of Witches – A Chronicle of the Burning Times
Religious Wars
*15th century Crusades against Hussites, thousands slain. [DO30]
*1538 pope Paul III declared Crusade against apostate England and all
English as slaves of Church (fortunately had not power to go into
action). [DO31]
*1568 Spanish Inquisition Tribunal ordered extermination of 3 million
rebels in (then Spanish) Netherlands. Thousands were actually slain.
[DO31]
*1572 In France about 20,000 Huguenots were killed on command of pope
Pius V. Until 17th century 200,000 flee. [DO31]
*17th century Catholics slay Gaspard de Coligny, a Protestant leader.
After murdering him, the Catholic mob mutilated his body, “cutting off
his head, his hands, and his genitals… and then dumped him into the
river […but] then, deciding that it was not worthy of being food for
the fish, they hauled it out again [… and] dragged what was left …
to the gallows of Montfaulcon, ‘to be meat and carrion for maggots and
crows’.” [SH191]
*17th century Catholics sack the city of Magdeburg/Germany roughly
30,000 Protestants were slain. “In a single church fifty women were
found beheaded,” reported poet Friedrich Schiller, “and infants still
sucking the breasts of their lifeless mothers.” [SH191]
*17th century 30 years’ war (Catholic vs. Protestant) at least 40% of
population decimated, mostly in Germany. [DO31-32]
Jews
*Already in the 4th and 5th centuries synagogues were burned by
Christians. Number of Jews slain unknown.
*In the middle of the fourth century the first synagogue was destroyed
on command of bishop Innocentius of Dertona in Northern Italy. The
first synagogue known to have been burned down was near the river
Euphrat, on command of the bishop of Kallinikon in the year 388.
[DA450]
*17. Council of Toledo 694 Jews were enslaved, their property
confiscated, and their children forcibly baptized. [DA454]
*The Bishop of Limoges (France) in 1010 had the cities’ Jews, who
would not convert to Christianity, expelled or killed. [DA453]
*First Crusade Thousands of Jews slaughtered 1096, maybe 12.000
total. Places Worms 5/18/1096, Mainz 5/27/1096 (1100 persons),
Cologne, Neuss, Altenahr, Wevelinghoven, Xanten, Moers, Dortmund,
Kerpen, Trier, Metz, Regensburg, Prag and others (All locations
Germany except Metz/France, Prag/Czech) [EJ]
*Second Crusade 1147. Several hundred Jews were slain in Ham, Sully,
Carentan, and Rameru (all locations in France). [WW57]
*Third Crusade English Jewish communities sacked 1189/90. [DO40]
*Fulda/Germany 1235 34 Jewish men and women slain. [DO41]
*1257, 1267 Jewish communities of London, Canterbury, Northampton,
Lincoln, Cambridge, and others exterminated. [DO41]
*1290 in Bohemian (Poland) allegedly 10,000 Jews killed. [DO41]
*1337 Starting in Deggendorf/Germany a Jew-killing craze reaches 51
towns in Bavaria, Austria, Poland. [DO41]
*1348 All Jews of Basel/Switzerland and Strasbourg/France (two
thousand) burned. [DO41]
*1349 In more than 350 towns in Germany all Jews murdered, mostly
burned alive (in this one year more Jews were killed than Christians
in 200 years of ancient Roman persecution of Christians). [DO42]
*1389 In Prag 3,000 Jews were slaughtered. [DO42]
*1391 Seville’s Jews killed (Archbishop Martinez leading). 4,000 were
slain, 25,000 sold as slaves. [DA454] Their identification was made
easy by the brightly colored “badges of shame” that all jews above the
age of ten had been forced to wear.
*1492 In the year Columbus set sail to conquer a New World, more than
150,000 Jews were expelled from Spain, many died on their way
6/30/1492. [MM470-476]
*1648 Chmielnitzki massacres In Poland about 200,000 Jews were slain.
[DO43]
(I feel sick …) this goes on and on, century after century, right
into the kilns of Auschwitz.
Native Peoples
*Beginning with Columbus (a former slave trader and would-be Holy
Crusader) the conquest of the New World began, as usual understood as
a means to propagate Christianity.
*Within hours of landfall on the first inhabited island he encountered
in the Caribbean, Columbus seized and carried off six native people
who, he said, “ought to be good servants … [and] would easily be
made Christians, because it seemed to me that they belonged to no
religion.” [SH200]
While Columbus described the Indians as “idolators” and “slaves, as
many as [the Crown] shall order,” his pal Michele de Cuneo, Italian
nobleman, referred to the natives as “beasts” because “they eat when
they are hungry,” and made love “openly whenever they feel like it.”
[SH204-205]
*On every island he set foot on, Columbus planted a cross, “making the
declarations that are required” – the requerimiento – to claim the
ownership for his Catholic patrons in Spain. And “nobody objected.” If
the Indians refused or delayed their acceptance (or understanding),
the requerimiento continued
“I certify to you that, with the help of God, we shall powerfully
enter in your country and shall make war against you … and shall
subject you to the yoke and obedience of the Church … and shall do
you all mischief that we can, as to vassals who do not obey and refuse
to receive their lord and resist and contradict him.” [SH66]
*Likewise in the words of John Winthrop, first governor of
Massachusetts Bay Colony “justifieinge the undertakeres of the
intended Plantation in New England … to carry the Gospell into those
parts of the world, … and to raise a Bulworke against the kingdome
of the Ante-Christ.” [SH235]
*In average two thirds of the native population were killed by
colonist-imported smallpox before violence began. This was a great
sign of “the marvelous goodness and providence of God” to the
Christians of course, e.g. the Governor of the Massachusetts Bay
Colony wrote in 1634, as “for the natives, they are near all dead of
the smallpox, so as the Lord hath cleared our title to what we
possess.” [SH109,238]
*On Hispaniola alone, on Columbus visits, the native population
(Arawak), a rather harmless and happy people living on an island of
abundant natural resources, a literal paradise, soon mourned 50,000
dead. [SH204]
*The surviving Indians fell victim to rape, murder, enslavement and
spanish raids.
*As one of the culprits wrote “So many Indians died that they could
not be counted, all through the land the Indians lay dead everywhere.
The stench was very great and pestiferous.” [SH69]
*The indian chief Hatuey fled with his people but was captured and
burned alive. As “they were tying him to the stake a Franciscan friar
urged him to take Jesus to his heart so that his soul might go to
heaven, rather than descend into hell. Hatuey replied that if heaven
was where the Christians went, he would rather go to hell.” [SH70]
*What happened to his people was described by an eyewitness
“The Spaniards found pleasure in inventing all kinds of odd cruelties
… They built a long gibbet, long enough for the toes to touch the
ground to prevent strangling, and hanged thirteen [natives] at a time
in honor of Christ Our Saviour and the twelve Apostles… then, straw
was wrapped around their torn bodies and they were burned alive.”
[SH72]
Or, on another occasion
“The Spaniards cut off the arm of one, the leg or hip of another, and
from some their heads at one stroke, like butchers cutting up beef and
mutton for market. Six hundred, including the cacique, were thus slain
like brute beasts…Vasco [de Balboa] ordered forty of them to be torn
to pieces by dogs.” [SH83]
*The “island’s population of about eight million people at the time of
Columbus’s arrival in 1492 already had declined by a third to a half
before the year 1496 was out.” Eventually all the island’s natives
were exterminated, so the Spaniards were “forced” to import slaves
from other caribbean islands, who soon suffered the same fate. Thus
“the Caribbean’s millions of native people [were] thereby effectively
liquidated in barely a quarter of a century”. [SH72-73] “In less than
the normal lifetime of a single human being, an entire culture of
millions of people, thousands of years resident in their homeland, had
been exterminated.” [SH75]
*”And then the Spanish turned their attention to the mainland of
Mexico and Central America. The slaughter had barely begun. The
exquisite city of Tenochtitlán [Mexico city] was next.” [SH75]
*Cortez, Pizarro, De Soto and hundreds of other spanish conquistadors
likewise sacked southern and mesoamerican civilizations in the name of
Christ (De Soto also sacked Florida). *”When the 16th century ended,
some 200,000 Spaniards had moved to the Americas. By that time
probably more than 60,000,000 natives were dead.” [SH95]
Of course no different were the founders of what today is the US of
America.
*Although none of the settlers would have survived winter without
native help, they soon set out to expel and exterminate the Indians.
Warfare among (north American) Indians was rather harmless, in
comparison to European standards, and was meant to avenge insults
rather than conquer land. In the words of some of the pilgrim fathers
“Their Warres are farre less bloudy…”, so that there usually was “no
great slawter of nether side”. Indeed, “they might fight seven yeares
and not kill seven men.” What is more, the Indians usually spared
women and children. [SH111]
*In the spring of 1612 some English colonists found life among the
(generally friendly and generous) natives attractive enough to leave
Jamestown – “being idell … did runne away unto the Indyans,” – to
live among them (that probably solved a sex problem).
“Governor Thomas Dale had them hunted down and executed ‘Some he
apointed (sic) to be hanged Some burned Some to be broken upon wheles,
others to be staked and some shott to deathe’.” [SH105] Of course
these elegant measures were restricted for fellow englishmen “This
was the treatment for those who wished to act like Indians. For those
who had no choice in the matter, because they were the native people
of Virginia” methods were different “when an Indian was accused by an
Englishman of stealing a cup and failing to return it, the English
response was to attack the natives in force, burning the entire
community” down. [SH105]
*On the territory that is now Massachusetts the founding fathers of
the colonies were committing genocide, in what has become known as the
“Peqout War”. The killers were New England Puritan Christians,
refugees from persecution in their own home country England.
*When however, a dead colonist was found, apparently killed by
Narragansett Indians, the Puritan colonists wanted revenge. Despite
the Indian chief’s pledge they attacked.
Somehow they seem to have lost the idea of what they were after,
because when they were greeted by Pequot Indians (long-time foes of
the Narragansetts) the troops nevertheless made war on the Pequots and
burned their villages.
The puritan commander-in-charge John Mason after one massacre wrote
“And indeed such a dreadful Terror did the Almighty let fall upon
their Spirits, that they would fly from us and run into the very
Flames, where many of them perished … God was above them, who
laughed his Enemies and the Enemies of his People to Scorn, making
them as a fiery Oven … Thus did the Lord judge among the Heathen,
filling the Place with dead Bodies” men, women, children. [SH113-114]
*So “the Lord was pleased to smite our Enemies in the hinder Parts,
and to give us their land for an inheritance”. [SH111].
*Because of his readers’ assumed knowledge of Deuteronomy, there was
no need for Mason to quote the words that immediately follow
“Thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly
destroy them…” (Deut 20)
*Mason’s comrade Underhill recalled how “great and doleful was the
bloody sight to the view of the young soldiers” yet reassured his
readers that “sometimes the Scripture declareth women and children
must perish with their parents”. [SH114]
*Other Indians were killed in successful plots of poisoning. The
colonists even had dogs especially trained to kill Indians and to
devour children from their mothers breasts, in the colonists’ own
words “blood Hounds to draw after them, and Mastives to seaze them.”
(This was inspired by spanish methods of the time)
In this way they continued until the extermination of the Pequots was
near. [SH107-119]
*The surviving handful of Indians “were parceled out to live in
servitude. John Endicott and his pastor wrote to the governor asking
for ‘a share’ of the captives, specifically ‘a young woman or girle
and a boy if you thinke good’.” [SH115]
*Other tribes were to follow the same path.
*Comment the Christian exterminators “God’s Will, which will at last
give us cause to say How Great is His Goodness! and How Great is his
Beauty!”
“Thus doth the Lord Jesus make them to bow before him, and to lick the
Dust!” [TA]
*Like today, lying was OK to Christians then. “Peace treaties were
signed with every intention to violate them when the Indians ‘grow
secure uppon (sic) the treatie’, advised the Council of State in
Virginia, ‘we shall have the better Advantage both to surprise them, &
cutt downe theire Corne’.” [SH106]
*In 1624 sixty heavily armed Englishmen cut down 800 defenseless
Indian men, women and children. [SH107]
*In a single massacre in “King Philip’s War” of 1675 and 1676 some
“600 Indians were destroyed. A delighted Cotton Mather, revered pastor
of the Second Church in Boston, later referred to the slaughter as a
‘barbeque’.” [SH115]
*To summarize Before the arrival of the English, the western Abenaki
people in New Hampshire and Vermont had numbered 12,000. Less than
half a century later about 250 remained alive – a destruction rate of
98%. The Pocumtuck people had numbered more than 18,000, fifty years
later they were down to 920 – 95% destroyed. The Quiripi-Unquachog
people had numbered about 30,000, fifty years later they were down to
1500 – 95% destroyed. The Massachusetts people had numbered at least
44,000, fifty years later barely 6000 were alive – 81% destroyed.
[SH118] These are only a few examples of the multitude of tribes
living before Christian colonists set their foot on the New World. All
this was before the smallpox epidemics of 1677 and 1678 had occurred.
And the carnage was not over then.
*All the above was only the beginning of the European colonization, it
was before the frontier age actually had begun.
*A total of maybe more than 150 million Indians (of both Americas)
were destroyed in the period of 1500 to 1900, as an average two thirds
by smallpox and other epidemics, that leaves some 50 million killed
directly by violence, bad treatment and slavery.
*In many countries, such as Brazil, and Guatemala, this continues even
today.
More Notable Events in US history
*Reverend Solomon Stoddard, one of New England’s most esteemed
religious leaders, in “1703 formally proposed to the Massachusetts
Governor that the colonists be given the financial wherewithal to
purchase and train large packs of dogs ‘to hunt Indians as they do
bears’.” [SH241]
*Massacre of Sand Creek, Colorado 11/29/1864. Colonel John Chivington,
a former Methodist minister and still elder in the church (“I long to
be wading in gore”) had a Cheyenne village of about 600, mostly women
and children, gunned down despite the chiefs’ waving with a white
flag 400-500 killed.
From an eye-witness account “There were some thirty or forty squaws
collected in a hole for protection; they sent out a little girl about
six years old with a white flag on a stick; she had not proceeded but
a few steps when she was shot and killed. All the squaws in that hole
were afterwards killed …” [SH131]
*By the 1860s, “in Hawai’i the Reverend Rufus Anderson surveyed the
carnage that by then had reduced those islands’ native population by
90 percent or more, and he declined to see it as tragedy; the expected
total die-off of the Hawaiian population was only natural, this
missionary said, somewhat equivalent to ‘the amputation of diseased
members of the body’.” [SH244]
20th Century Church Atrocities
*Catholic extermination camps
Surpisingly few know that Nazi extermination camps in World War II
were by no means the only ones in Europe at the time. In the years
1942-1943 also in Croatia existed numerous extermination camps, run by
Catholic Ustasha under their dictator Ante Paveliç, a practising
Catholic and regular visitor to the then pope. There were even
concentration camps exclusively for children!
In these camps – the most notorious was Jasenovac, headed by a
Franciscan friar – orthodox-Christian serbians (and a substantial
number of Jews) were murdered. Like the Nazis the Catholic Ustasha
burned their victims in kilns, alive (the Nazis were decent enough to
have their victims gassed first). But most of the victims were simply
stabbed, slain or shot to death, the number of them being estimated
between 300,000 and 600,000, in a rather tiny country. Many of the
killers were Franciscan friars. The atrocities were appalling enough
to induce bystanders of the Nazi “Sicherheitsdient der SS”, watching,
to complain about them to Hitler (who did not listen). The pope knew
about these events and did nothing to prevent them. [MV]
*Catholic terror in Vietnam
In 1954 Vietnamese freedom fighters – the Viet Minh – had finally
defeated the French colonial government in North Vietnam, which by
then had been supported by U.S. funds amounting to more than $2
billion. Although the victorious assured religious freedom to all
(most non-buddhist Vietnamese were Catholics), due to huge
anticommunist propaganda campaigns many Catholics fled to the South.
With the help of Catholic lobbies in Washington and Cardinal Spellman,
the Vatican’s spokesman in U.S. politics, who later on would call the
U.S. forces in Vietnam “Soldiers of Christ”, a scheme was concocted to
prevent democratic elections which could have brought the communist
Viet Minh to power in the South as well, and the fanatic Catholic Ngo
Dinh Diem was made president of South Vietnam. [MW16ff]
Diem saw to it that U.S. aid, food, technical and general assistance
was given to Catholics alone, Buddhist individuals and villages were
ignored or had to pay for the food aids which were given to Catholics
for free. The only religious denomination to be supported was Roman
Catholicism.
The Vietnamese McCarthyism turned even more vicious than its American
counterpart. By 1956 Diem promulgated a presidential order which read
“Individuals considered dangerous to the national defense and common
security may be confined by executive order, to a concentration camp.”
Supposedly to fight communism, thousands of buddhist protesters and
monks were imprisoned in “detention camps.” Out of protest dozens of
buddhist teachers – male and female – and monks poured gasoline over
themselves and burned themselves. (Note that Buddhists burned
themselves in comparison Christians tend to burn others). Meanwhile
some of the prison camps, which in the meantime were filled with
Protestant and even Catholic protesters as well, had turned into
no-nonsense death camps. It is estimated that during this period of
terror (1955-1960) at least 24,000 were wounded – mostly in street
riots – 80,000 people were executed, 275,000 had been detained or
tortured, and about 500,000 were sent to concentration or detention
camps. [MW76-89].
To support this kind of government in the next decade thousands of
American GI’s lost their life.
*Christianity kills the cat
On July 1, 1976, Anneliese Michel, a 23-year-old student of a teachers
college in Germany, died she starved herself to death. For months she
had been haunted by demonic visions and apparitions, and for months
two Catholic priests – with explicit approval of the Catholic bishop
of Würzburg – additionally pestered and tormented the wretched girl
with their exorcist rituals. After her death in Klingenberg hospital –
her body was littered with wounds – her parents, both of them
fanatical Catholics, were sentenced to six months for not having
called for medical help. None of the priests was punished on the
contrary, Miss Michel’s grave today is a place of pilgrimage and
worship for a number of similarly faithful Catholics (in the
seventeenth century Würzburg was notorious for it’s extensive witch
burnings).
This case is only the tip of an iceberg of such evil superstition and
has become known only because of its lethal outcome. [SP80]
*Rwanda Massacres
In 1994 in the small african country of Rwanda in just a few months
several hundred thousand civilians were butchered, apparently a
conflict of the Hutu and Tutsi ethnic groups.
For quite some time I heard only rumours about Catholic clergy
actively involved in the 1994 Rwanda massacres. Odd denials of
involvement were printed in Catholic church journals, before even
anybody had openly accused members of the church.
Then, 10/10/96, in the newscast of S2 Aktuell, Germany – a station not
at all critical to Christianity – the following was stated
“Anglican as well as Catholic priests and nuns are suspect of having
actively participated in murders. Especially the conduct of a certain
Catholic priest has been occupying the public mind in Rwanda’s capital
Kigali for months. He was minister of the church of the Holy Family
and allegedly murdered Tutsis in the most brutal manner. He is
reported to have accompanied marauding Hutu militia with a gun in his
cowl. In fact there has been a bloody slaughter of Tutsis seeking
shelter in his parish. Even two years after the massacres many
Catholics refuse to set foot on the threshold of their church, because
to them the participation of a certain part of the clergy in the
slaughter is well established. There is almost no church in Rwanda
that has not seen refugees – women, children, old – being brutally
butchered facing the crucifix.
According to eyewitnesses clergymen gave away hiding Tutsis and turned
them over to the machetes of the Hutu militia.
In connection with these events again and again two Benedictine nuns
are mentioned, both of whom have fled into a Belgian monastery in the
meantime to avoid prosecution. According to survivors one of them
called the Hutu killers and led them to several thousand people who
had sought shelter in her monastery. By force the doomed were driven
out of the churchyard and were murdered in the presence of the nun
right in front of the gate. The other one is also reported to have
directly cooperated with the murderers of the Hutu militia. In her
case again witnesses report that she watched the slaughtering of
people in cold blood and without showing response. She is even accused
of having procured some petrol used by the killers to set on fire and
burn their victims alive…” [S2]
*As can be seen from these events, to Christianity the Dark Ages never
come to an end.
20th Century Terrorism by Christians opposed to doctors
Murders
In the U.S., violence directed toward abortion providers has killed 7 people, including 3 doctors, 2 clinic employees, a security guard, and a clinic escort.[5]
* March 10, 1993: Dr. David Gunn of Pensacola, Florida was fatally shot during a protest. He had been the subject of wanted-style posters distributed by Operation Rescue in the summer of the year before. Michael F. Griffin was found guilty of Dr. Gunn’s murder and was sentenced to life in prison.
* June 29, 1994: Dr. John Britton and James Barrett, a clinic escort, were both shot to death outside of another facility in Pensacola. Rev. Paul Jennings Hill was charged with the killings, received a death sentence, and was executed September 3, 2003.
* December 30, 1994: Two receptionists, Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols, were killed in two clinic attacks in Brookline, Massachusetts. John Salvi, who prior to his arrest was distributing pamphlets from Human Life International,[6] was arrested and confessed to the killings. He committed suicide in prison and guards found his body under his bed with a plastic garbage bag tied around his head. Salvi had also confessed to a non-lethal attack in Norfolk, Virginia days before the Brookline killings.
* January 29, 1998: Robert Sanderson, an off-duty police officer who worked as a security guard at an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama, was killed when his workplace was bombed. Eric Robert Rudolph, who was also responsible for the 1996 Centennial Olympic Park bombing, was charged with the crime and received two life sentences as a result.
* October 23, 1998: Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot to death at his home in Amherst, New York. His was the last in a series of similar shootings against providers in Canada and northern New York state which were all likely committed by James Kopp. Kopp was convicted of Dr. Slepian’s murder after finally being apprehended in France in 2001.
Attempted murder, assault, and threats
According to statistics gathered by the National Abortion Federation (NAF), an organization of abortion providers, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, there have been 17 attempted murders, 383 death threats, 153 incidents of assault or battery, and 3 kidnappings committed against abortion providers.[8] The attempted murders were:[9][10][5]
* August 19, 1993: Dr. George Tiller was shot outside of an abortion facility in Wichita, Kansas. Shelley Shannon was charged with the crime and received an 11-year prison sentence.
* June 29, 1994: June Barret was shot in the same attack which claimed the lives of James Barrett, her husband, and Dr. John Britton.
* December 30, 1994: Five individuals were wounded in the same-day shootings which killed Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols.
* December 18, 1996: Dr. Calvin Jackson of New Orleans, Louisiana was stabbed 15 times, losing 4 pints of blood. Donald Cooper was charged with second-degree attempted murder and sentenced to 20 years.[11]
* October 28, 1997: A physician whose name has not been revealed was shot in his home in Rochester, New York.
* January 29, 1998: Emily Lyons, a nurse, was severely injured in the bombing which also killed Robert Sanderson.
* September 11, 2006 David McMenemy attempted a suicide bombing of a women’s clinic in Davenport, Iowa after scouting targets throughout the Midwest. It was later revealed that the targeted clinic did not perform or make referrals for abortions.
Arson, bombing, and property crimes
According to NAF, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, property crimes committed against abortion providers have included 41 bombings, 173 arsons, 91 attempted bombings or arsons, 619 bomb threats, 1630 incidents of trespassing, 1264 incidents of vandalism, and 100 attacks with butyric acid (“stink bombs”).[8] The first clinic arson occurred in Oregon in March 1976 and the first bombing occurred in February 1978 in Ohio.[13] More recent incidents have included:[5]
* October 1999: Martin Uphoff set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, causing US$100 worth of damage. He was later sentenced to 60 months in prison.
* May 28, 2000: An arson at a clinic in Concord, New Hampshire on resulted in damage estimated at US$20,000.
* October 1, 2000: A Catholic priest drove his car into the Northern Illinois Health Clinic after learning that the FDA had approved the drug RU-486. He pulled out an ax before being shot at by a security guard.
* June 11, 2001: A bombing at a clinic in Tacoma, Washington on destroyed a wall, resulting in US$6000 in damages
* July 4, 2005: A clinic Palm Beach, Florida was the target of an arson.
* December 12, 2005: Patricia Hughes and Jeremy Dunahoe threw a Molotov cocktail at a clinic in Shreveport, Louisiana. The device missed the building and no damage was caused. In August 2006, Hughes was sentenced to six years in prison, and Dunahoe to one year.
* September 13, 2006 David McMenemy of Rochester Hills, Michigan crashed his car into the Edgerton Women’s Care Center in Davenport, Iowa. He then doused the lobby in gasoline and then started a fire. McMenemy committed these acts in the belief that the center was performing abortions, however Edgerton is not an abortion clinc.[14]
* April 25, 2007: A package left at a women’s health clinic in Austin, Texas contained an explosive device capable of inflicting serious injury or death. A bomb squad detonated the device.[15]
* May 9, 2007: An unidentified person deliberately set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Virginia Beach, Virginia.[16]
* December 6, 2007: Two unidentified persons set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Albuquerque, New Mexico.[17]
References
[DA]
K.Deschner, Abermals krähte der Hahn, Stuttgart 1962.
[DO]
K.Deschner, Opus Diaboli, Reinbek 1987.
[EC]
P.W.Edbury, Crusade and Settlement, Cardiff Univ. Press 1985.
[EJ]
S.Eidelberg, The Jews and the Crusaders, Madison 1977.
[LI]
H.C.Lea, The Inquisition of the Middle Ages, New York 1961.
[MM]
M.Margolis, A.Marx, A History of the Jewish People.
[MV]
A.Manhattan, The Vatican’s Holocaust, Springfield 1986.
See also V.Dedijer, The Yugoslav Auschwitz and the Vatican, Buffalo
NY, 1992.
[NC]
J.T.Noonan, Contraception A History of its Treatment by the Catholic
Theologians and Canonists, Cambridge/Mass., 1992.
[S2]
Newscast of S2 Aktuell, Germany, 10/10/96, 1200.
[SH]
D.Stannard, American Holocaust, Oxford University Press 1992.
[SP]
German news magazine Der Spiegel, no.49, 12/2/1996.
[TA]
A True Account of the Most Considerable Occurrences that have Hapned
in the Warre Between the English and the Indians in New England,
London 1676.
[TG]
F.Turner, Beyond Geography, New York 1980.
[WW]
H.Wollschläger Die bewaffneten Wallfahrten gen Jerusalem, Zürich
1973.
(This is in german and what is worse, it is out of print. But it is
the best I ever read about crusades and includes a full list of
original medieval Christian chroniclers’ writings).
[WV]
Estimates on the number of executed witches
*N.Cohn, Europe’s Inner Demons An Enquiry Inspired by the Great Witch
Hunt, Frogmore 1976, 253.
*R.H.Robbins, The Encyclopedia of Witchcraft and Demonology, New York
1959, 180.
*J.B.Russell, Witchcraft in the Middle Ages, Ithaca/NY 1972, 39.
*H.Zwetsloot, Friedrich Spee und die Hexenprozesse, Trier 1954, 56.
20th Century Terrorism Section
5.^ NARAL Pro-Choice America Foundation. (2006). Clinic violence and intimidation. Retrieved April 13, 2006.
6.^ Berlet, Chip. “Clinic Violence, The Religious Right, Scapegoating, Armed Militias, & the Freemason Conspiracy,” The Body Politic, Vol. 5, No. 2 February 1995.
7.^ Crow, Karen. (August 19, 2005). A Violent Week in August. Choice! Magazine. Retrieved January 25, 2007.
8.^ a b National Abortion Federation. (2005). Incidence of Violence & Disruption Against Abortion Providers in the U.S. & Canada. Retrieved April 13, 2006.
9.^ Robinson, B.A. Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance. (November 9, 2004). “Violence & Harassment at U.S. Abortion Clinics. Retrieved April 13, 2006.
10.^National Abortion Federation. (2006). Clinic Violence: History of Violence. Retrieved April 13, 2006.
11.^ Loewentheil, Kara. (December 21, 2004). Donald Cooper’s Day of Violence. Choice! Magazine. Retrieved January 25, 2007.
12.^ National Abortion Federation. (2007). Anthrax Attacks.” Retrieved February 10, 2007.
13.^ National Abortion Federation. (2007). “Arsons and Bombings.” Retrieved February 10, 2007.
14.^ “Man Crashes Into Davenport Health Clinic” (in English). KWQC (2006-09-13). Retrieved on 2008-05-11.
15.^ “Explosive found at Austin women’s clinic.” (April 26, 2007). Houston Chronicle. Retrieved April 27, 2007.
16.^ “Planned Parenthood Arson.” (May 12, 2007). WKTR.com. Retrieved May 14, 2007.
17.^ “Albuquerque abortion clinic fire was arson, feds say.” (December 8, 2007). The Albuquerque Tribune. Retrieved December 18, 2007.
FYI: Believing in God and that Jesus is the son of God does not make you a murderer. But, I am sure that you know this. Every person has their own rights and to group all “Christians” together, especially as “killers” is absurd. To love God is to desire being filled with love, not hate. God does not promote the judgement of people by other people. ” first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.” Also, people believe in God not because they are perfect but because they lack perfection. Of course this does not mean that “Christians are murderers” but it does mean that people that believe in God are still faulted, and they know this. God does not remove all problems but is there with us through them. War will still happen. And please do not accept any and every resource you see as viable for many are not. Just a few notes. Please stop being as judgmental as you perceive those that believe in a higher power to be. It’s not fun to be judged, no matter who its from.
SO which is republican and which is a democrat?
Quoting you: “meaning it’s not the mother’s choice to make at all”…this is just your OPINION and is not a FACT. My OPINION is totally opposite from yours. I believe it is totally her choice. Parasite is not meant to be used in an ignorant way. Look up the definition. It’s an organism whose survival is contingent upon the host. And FYI, I am the mother of 2 grown children which I chose to have. Thank God I live in a country where I had that choice. I don’t give my opinion on this because I am trying to persuade anyone to believe as I do. I just believe people need to be more open minded about the subject and not be judgemental about a woman’s choice to terminate or continue a pregnancy. If a woman cannot choose abortion, then so be it. But don’t be critical of those who choose the other route. And the last time I checked, we still have freedom of speech in this country. Therefore, I’ll use parasite in this context again, and again and again if I so choose to.
Obama and the dems will get what they voted for. Socialism and anti-God
You should really watch the words you use. Once a baby is concieved(not born) he/she has his/her own life and not the mothers meaning it’s not the mother’s choice to make at all. (PS: pls don’t use parasite in this context again).
Your facts on Christian killing are way off base. Do yourself a favor and educate yourself before commenting and postig your ignorant ideaology on blogs. History tells us (do the research) that murder in the name of Christianity ( not true Bible believing Christians) account for approximately 200,000 people. Atheists like Karl Marx, Hitler, Tsaoe, etc.. account for hundreds of millions of deaths. Christianity is responsible for almost every freedom you have in this country. Amazing. Stop watching the History channel and CNN.
I’m a neuter, but here me out on this–this is clearly a misinterpretation of everything… a candidate’s stand doesn’t end with an issue and a period–thus, depth of each issue should be weighed before another word is spoken.
Excuse me, but abortion is not killing a baby. If the organism cannot live outside the mother’s womb, it is a parasite. Women have been having abortions for thousands of years. If abortion is illegal, a woman will still seek out a way to abort–which usually means it will not be done safely and she will probably die. Don’t you think this issue should be left up to each individual woman to decide for herself? After all, it is HER body. I could not carry a baby to term and then give it up for adoption. All my life I would wonder if he/she was being loved or being abused. I’ve always wondered how someone can be anti “choice” and pro “death penalty”. Look at how many men on death row or in prison have been released because DNA evidence finally cleared them of the crime they were imprisoned for. Makes one wonder how many have been “killed” who were actually innocent. Now that for sure is a crying shame. I can’t understand why most “bible thumpers” are anti choice but pro death penalty. What about “thou shall not kill”? Once again, religious zealots have read into bible passages what they want to see and believe. Don’t get me started on guns. Unfortunately, they are here to stay in the good old USA. Countries where guns are outlawed are not dictatorships. I believe all gun factories should be destroyed and we should pay everyone to turn in their weapons.
Ahhhh….that clears it up.
Palin said she would even be against her daughter having an abortion if she was raped. That…I certainly don’t agree with.
However, the point really IS moot now since Obama won. Let’s hope he backs up his words and does what he says.
Oh, Mike you thought I was referring to McCain? No… I’m talking about Palin! The next Republican President if we put McPalin in the white house. Just one heartbeat away from being the pitbull, Oil drillin’, decision makin’, gun totin’ “Hockey President”!
Yee-haw! :-)
John
HAHAHAHAHA! That was pretty funny there Greg. It took me a minute to get it…
John
Any true Christian would not condemn another for endorsing Republican or Democratic party. Christians are not supposed to pass judgements on others.
Well i for one do agree with you on the kyoto treaty, me beeing from sweden means i hear alot of this election, and frankly, i don’t really give a rat’s ass of which one of these “devils” run the US.
our primary focus worldwide should be the enviorment at hand, so if noone of these two candidates go for the treaty they can be discarded, tough if i was forced to choose between these men i would gladly support obama since he has a better restriction of gun ownership which has proven to be a huge problem in the US.
refering to The Columbine and arkinsaw events.
tough i would say it’s not the wisest of idea’s to expand the armed forces, picture if china would do the same, and they are fairly known for having a rather large bunch of soldier’s coocked up over there.
So to be honest, this Election is just stupid, considering they only choose moron’s as in bush for a splendid example, and only the one’s who would seem to be a great alternative before the election always change alot and by all means looses the faith from people.
This point is actually moot since McCain clearly supports abortion in the cases where a woman is raped, where incest is involved, and where the mother might be in danger, regardless if “demons” exist or not. In fact, McCain even wants to go as far as changing the GOP stance on abortion to include the exceptions listed above.
As stated here:
and also here:
I’m pretty sure that this already happened…to the elder Barbara Bush back in ’45.
I’d like to send this shout out to the following peeps: @Dan, @Sarah, @Lisa & @Denise Duran
I proposed a theoretical situation. What I said was:
Now, just to be 100% crystal clear, are we all under the understanding that I gave a single example with the following characteristics:
Are you with me?
I don’t think so. So I’m going to give you an example.
Suzie is walking down the street. A man who is acting crazy, has glowing red eyes, has super-human strength, and who is muttering some strange gibberish language that sounds as though it is the tongue of the devil, attacks her and rapes her. He impregnates her on purpose.
==>Did you notice that I’m proposing that the man has a DEMON inside him?<==
Ok. So, now pretend you’re Suzie. This demon told you he was going to impregnate you with the son of Beelzebub as he was raping you. What are you going to do? Well, one of the candidates would give you a choice. The other would not.
Oh, I get it. You’re going to bear forth the anti-christ to bring about the end of the world. Nice.
The moral of this story: READ my comments carefully because the devil is in the details.
John P.
Thanks for the feedback Heather. I’m glad this helped. Now get out there and support your candidate of choice tomorrow! :-)
John P.
Just wanted to say thanks to one man’s blog for helping me to get the comprehensive view I needed to make an informed decision in this election! I was looking for unbiased information about the candidate I was interested in- thanks for providing that along with links! I now feel prepared to vote- up until now I wasn’t sure if I could do it! I feel honored that I have the right to vote, as so many in this world do not. Thanks! Heather P
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John, John, John, buddy, your post was not all that bad, but then you go and say something so ridiculous in your last post that tosses out any shred of credit anyone had or might have given you.
“Evil spawn”? So, behavior is no longer learned? The product-of-one’s-environment theory is no longer a possibility? We are genetically connected to a lot of our own make-up, but to c’mon, killers and rapist are not born–they are made–they BECOME; this we know.
This is a late post but I was so thrown by your post, I had to take the time to post. So, John, no, a God-fearing person would not want to terminate the abortion because the attacker was demon-possessed. I think most people–God-fearing or not–realize that evil is not passed via semen. I’m sorry that realization has not reached you.
A vote for Nixon is a vote for change!
Give me a break Robert. More ppl in the history of the world have died because of Christiantity. YOU want to feel vindicated and justified by pushing your beliefs on everyone around you. Deal with it. YOU and your blind followers are part of a group of ppl who have killed millions of innocent ppl b/c they didn’t believe as they did. Stand back and let the rest of the ppl on this planet find their own happiness and go sit in a corner and pray that the evil gays won’t destroy your family values.
You poor man. You have been duped by the man-hating/ashamed to be female feminists in this country – very different from real feminists, but squeeky wheels, nonetheless. Your view that unborn babies are evil is completely irrational and illogical. Noone can determine that a baby is innately evil. It’s not sin that sends us to hell, but arrogance. You are in interesting company: the Communist Chinese agree with you that you can be your own God. They also believe that any more than one child in a family is innately “evil” to the government. They have enforced the “one child only” law for many, many years, now. This is what so many Chinese woman have told me: if they find themselves pregnant with another child, they must hide in a village where they hope there will be no government “rats.” If found out, they are arrested for being pregnant, handcuffed and drugged so that they will not resist, brought to a local medical office, their legs secured in the splayed position, and they are raped with cold, metal tools to extract and dismember their baby within their wombs, regardless of its age. Women, in their natural state, are considered dangerous and unsafe, just as in this country – thus the advent of the “safe sex” marketing ploy (under the guise of protection against certain STDs). Women and men in this country are taught that women, naturally, are dangerous and something to be protected against. The Planned Parenthood/NOW feminists are the most man/women-hating of all, as they perpetuate this slap in the face to real women. They also target minorities – just check out where their clinics are. And they are “pro-choice?” They are simply pro-your choice to kill your baby, not pro-choice to have your baby, or at least a pittance of their multi-billion dollar industry would go for homes for unwed mothers or healthcare for women who choose to have their babies – nowhere to be found.
Don’t believe me when I say all of this, ask Dr. Bernard Nathanson, who was co-founder in 1969 of the National Association for the Repeal of Abortion Laws — NARAL — later renamed the National Abortion Rights Action League. He was also the former director of New York’s City’s Center for Reproductive and Sexual Health, then the largest abortion clinic in the world. In the late 1970’s he turned against abortion to become a prominent pro-life advocate, authoring Abortion America and producing the powerfully revealing video, “The Silent Scream.” Dr. Nathanson is currently Clinical Associate Professor of Obstetrics and Gynecology at New York Medical College and a visiting scholar at Vanderbilt University.
As director of the world’s largest abortion clinic and the nation’s most prominent abortionist, Dr. Bernard Nathanson presided over 60,000 abortions. He even aborted his own baby. As co-founder of the National Abortion Rights Action League he helped make abortion legal.
Then, in a conversion that made headlines and astonished both sides of the abortion debate, he renounced his profession to become a pro-life advocate.
Please check out “The Silent Scream.” You can find it on-line. It may change your heart. We need real men – educated, caring, intelligent men to fight for those whose screams we refuse to hear. Thousands of women are now gaining courage to step forward following their own abortions and become vocal about how toxic and corrosive the abortion experience has been and continues to be for them. Read some of their moving stories at the Rachel’s Vineyard website and related links.
-from a woman impregnated during a date-rape, who was then rendered sterile by a legal, well-established abortion doctor during an attempted abortion.
Now is the time to take a stand, a stand for change, change what America badly needs. Jesus Loves.
Obama is not the Anti-Christ, how do we know McCain isn’t? We need to look more at what they stand for, than their color. I looked in the history book and I saw 43 presidents, and not one was black, yet we try to predict and say Obama will be a bad president. So, let me tell you that you aren’t ready for change, if you were you wouldn’t still be caught up in racism discrimination, nor segregation.
If you don’t want the same,
The insane,
Nor the not ready for change,
Then don’t vote for McCain
“We as Americans are basing our country upon the morals of racism, discrimination, and segregation. When will we take a stand, a stand meant to be acted on. When will we not just sing the National Anthem, but mean it. I recall it says, we are the land of the free and the home the brave. When will we make this the land of the free and the home of the brave, or was it ever?”
Quote By: Philanthropist Shakeal Moore
and Activist Samuel Buncabi
This person obviously is ludacris, this data is insufficient, all of this is just pointing directly that you support McCain more than Obama. Who supports the middle class? Obama, who supports taxing the miidle class, and not the high-class? McCain, say what you know, mean what you say!!!!
ludicrous, not ludacris
I can’t believe that you think have the authority to call an innocent child the devil’s spawn. Eventhough the child was not conceived under circumstances that are positive, it in no way reflects on that child…how is it that you think that child is evil because it was conceived in sin. Do you think, then, that every child conceived in sin is the devil’s spawn? That any child that is conceived out of wedlock is the devil’s spawn? There are many people today who are outstanding citizens who are the product of rape or other “unethical” ways, I just can’t believe that you think you have the right to label them as you have… It’s disgusting!!
He wants to cut military in Iraq, and deployed military. Not cut it as whole He just wants to move our military around somewhat. Brings soldiers on their 4th and 5th tours home and get troops out of Iraq and into afganistan. Sorry if spelling/grammar is poor it is late.
ummm yea a few of the issues are horribly wrong, like mccain favoring more federal healthcare funding..he’s for starting programs that help individuals fund it themselves, not the federal government funding anything…
I do think you need to correct something… based on his ads, Obama supports cutting the military, not expanding it.
Actually McCain makes the exception for abortion if the woman was raped or if the child endangers the mother.
While I believe a woman has every right to make almost any decision regarding her own body (remember that suicide is illegal), the issue for most Pro-Lifers is exactly that: what is living inside of a pregnant woman is a human baby. Period. If you believe this, and I don’t believe anyone honestly doesn’t, then this human baby deserves the RIGHT to LIVE and who are we to decide which babies live and die? How about when they’re 2 years old and driving us nuts – can we abort them then?
Non Christians burned a lot of people at the stake too. Let’s not judge an organization by the sins of it’s members. Christians never claimed to be perfect and of course any Christain in his right mind does not endorse burning people. How about a real argument?
The last part of your comment is the most disturbing. So we should abort babies based on whether or not we think they’ll turn out to be criminals?
Senator McCain was working for you to help provide you with the freedom to voice your disrespect without reprisal.
You should get down on your knees and express gratitude to him and all the other veterans that returned and for those who were unfortunate enough to not return.
That is the way I read it!
I can’t believe that anyone who calls him/herself a Christian could in anyway support a platform endorsed by national Democrats. IT IS ANTI-CHRIST!
This comment, while likely just kidding, is unfortunate because it is a perfect example of the extremist rhetoric that is used by both sides of the political debate repeatedly.
Saying that Obama wants to murder the innocent is as ridiculous as saying that McCain wants to murder the innocent since he flew over Vietnam and killed a bunch of people.
The real discussion is whether these candidates believe a woman has the right to choose between having an abortion and not. McCain does not believe she should even have a choice – no matter the consequences. So, if someone forcibly held a woman down and purposely impregnated her, he would force her to carry the baby to term. Presumably because the conception was “God’s will”. Obama takes the other side of the debate and, though he doesn’t want – and likely would not personally choose – abortion, he believes the woman has the choice whether to carry the pregnancy or not.
I’m rather surprised by the biblical based argument against abortion, because if you believe in God, you must also believe in Satan. And if a demon possessed human were to forcibly impregnate a woman, I would think that a God fearing human would want to abort the spawn of evil. Christians burned many, many women at the stake believing they were witches – and inhabited by evil – so why would you not rid the world of demon spawn? I mean, you wouldn’t have aborted Charles Manson, Jeffrey Dahmer, Adolph Hitler or other diabolical humans if you had the ability to?
You can’t have it both ways. You must either allow women to protect the world from the potential evil festering in their wombs, or you must allow it to spring forth and wreak untold havoc on the world. What’ll it be? I say, trust the woman to make the choice.
John
this means, obama wants to murder the innocent….lets the guilty live, and when they get out of prison we wont have the guns to protect ourselves because, obama took them away……oh and we will be heading straight towards a dictatorship
So, this means Obama favors killing babies, taking your guns, and raising your taxes? Wow.
Just wanted to say thank you very much for this article because it helped me out a lot with my gov’t homework because i couldn’t find the similarities and differences between the parties on their ideas.
So again thank you this was incredibly helpful
vote for obama!
yes we can
Mccain
abortion (flip/flopped)
stricter limits on political campaigns(has a lot of lobbyist)
Obama
right to gun ownership(flip flopped)
expand the armed forces(I never heard this, but could be true)
It is pretty good but on these issue above I take issue with
Speaking as someone from the UK I would pick Obama as the lesser of two evils.
The two key points I have issue with as far as Obama is concerned are:
1. How many more people does the US of A want to see die because of your restrictive trade practises. Mny countries in Africa have stated that they would not need the Aid funding if they were not prohibited from trading on an equal footing with the USA and Europe. But, of course, it’s in the interests of the USA to keep those countries dependent on Aid. You only have to take a look at how the money allocated to rebuild Iraq was used to see that.
2. Why does Obama see any need to expand the armed forces? This could only mean an intention to expand the USA’s global influence. Unless the USA foriegn policy shapes up, this is bad news for the world – or is there some place that Americans aren’t hated enough by American military standards and he just has to send troops there?
It is, however, some relief to see his stance on gun ownership.
A notable ommission is any policy regarding the signing of the Kyoto treaty from either candidate. With 25% of the worlds polution coming from the USA, isn’t it time a President took some real responsibility?
So what do you think of “the lesser of two evils” now?
“Repeal tax cuts on wealthy”
That’s a heavily biased assessment of the tax cuts in question.
(to be fair, however, I appreciate your otherwise fair, rational and fact-oriented approach to the matter!)
For those who are interested, these are the facts I felt were relevant to my comment:
“Treasury Department analysts credit President Bush’s tax cuts with shifting a larger share of the individual income taxes paid to higher income taxpayers. In 2005, says the Treasury, when most of the tax cut provisions are fully in effect (e.g., lower tax rates, the $1,000 child credit, marriage penalty relief), the projected tax share for lower-income taxpayers will fall, while the tax share for higher-income taxpayers will rise.
# The share of taxes paid by the bottom 50 percent of taxpayers will fall from 4.1 percent to 3.6 percent.
# The share of taxes paid by the top 1 percent of taxpayers will rise from 32.3 percent to 33.7 percent.
# The average tax rate for the bottom 50 percent of taxpayers falls by 27 percent as compared to a 13 percent decline for taxpayers in the top 1 percent.”
There are many sources, this was the most concise, and the source of the citation above:
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/incometaxandtheirs/a/whopaysmost.htm
Thanks for posting, but unfortunately this confirms my suspicion that I don’t want either person in office. Oh well. Whee for two party systems.
It makes it clear what they think you want them to stand for :-)
No but it makes things clearer for us foreigners to see who is who and what they stand for :)
Kim:)
This post isn’t going to sway anyone (and it probably will start some mini flame wars), but it does seem fair from what I know of both candidates. Good job on getting that done (which was the intent of the post).